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schizoidman
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Posted: November 04 2013 at 20:17 |
The musical tastes of the masses ebb and flow differently over time.
I can say that The Beatles spent more time on Pepper than any other album they made, about five months. Mostly Paul and John going back in the studio with engineer Geoff Emerick spending hours trying different mic's, various mic positions, various instruments, using or inventing various studio effects, to get the exact sound that Paul or John wanted.
I read and recommend Emerick's book "Here, There and Everywhere". I believe it was there that I read the remark that, looking back, Pepper was really a John and Paul duo album. George's one song, the great "Within You, Without You" was done with Harrison, George Martin and Harrison's Indian musician friends. None of the other Beatles are on the song.
Paul handled the majority of the lead guitar parts, all of the bass and God knows what else.
Revolver was done quicker. What is lacking in studio and musical perfection is made up for by a wider variety of songs and performances.
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Atavachron
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Posted: November 04 2013 at 21:10 |
In 'Tomorrow Never Knows' you can smell the acid; In 'Being for the Benefit of Mr. Kite!' you can smell the peanuts.
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: November 05 2013 at 07:29 |
I think Revolver is a much much stronger album. I can finish it without reaching for the skip button, which is something I do with Pepper. Not too fond of the latter although it contains my fave Beatle tune ever 'A Day In The Life'.
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- Douglas Adams
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chopper
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Posted: November 05 2013 at 07:35 |
Blacksword wrote:
I prefer Revolver.
Less hippy than Pepper. Pepper's very good, but I've heard it so much and I've lost interest a little in their more hippy stuff as I've got older. |
This.
I remember being surprised to see Revolver beating Sgt Pepper in polls, it may have been a Q magazine one where I first saw this.
The drugs had begun to kick in on Revolver but it's still a collection of shorter, more tightly focussed songs than Sgt Pepper. McCartney was on a real roll then.
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chopper
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Posted: November 05 2013 at 07:39 |
Stool Man wrote:
NYSPORTSFAN wrote:
When I was growing up when it came to The Beatles albums it was Sgt. Pepper that was considered their best album. Now it seems people think its Revolver? What is the reason for this turnabout in opinion. |
Depends on when you were growing up. I remember in the 1980s Revolver was considered the better of the two, except of course in 1987 ("It was twenty years ago today" etc)
Personally I don't understand it when americans go on about the Magical Mystery Tour album. The Beatles never made such an album. They made a Magical Mystery Tour film, and a Magical Mystery Tour double EP. The american label made the album so loved by americans, not The Beatles. Approval after the fact is not the same thing at all. |
I don't think anyone had mentioned MMT up to this point, but I'm glad someone else thinks the same as me!
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Earthmover
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Posted: November 05 2013 at 08:28 |
Because it's their best album and imo the only great one (haven't heard Rubber Soul and White Album tho)
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Dean
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Posted: November 05 2013 at 08:36 |
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What?
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Earthmover
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Posted: November 05 2013 at 09:00 |
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chopper
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Posted: November 05 2013 at 09:05 |
Earthmover wrote:
Because it's their best album and imo the only great one (haven't heard Rubber Soul and White Album tho) |
Revolver quite easily beats Rubber Soul but you really need to hear The Beatles before commenting. It's really 4 solo albums and a bit all over the place, but it's my favourite Beatles album.
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DamoXt7942
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Posted: November 05 2013 at 09:14 |
I'm so sad some people around me don't know The Beatles ... I've got older.
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dr wu23
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Posted: November 05 2013 at 09:40 |
DamoXt7942 wrote:
I'm so sad some people around me don't know The Beatles ... I've got older. |
Me too..........my brother and I were in a record store back in the early 80's and these two young kids were buying Wings lp's and one turned to the other kid and said hey...McCartney was in a band called The Beatles.
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chopper
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Posted: November 05 2013 at 10:21 |
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Blacksword
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Posted: November 05 2013 at 11:42 |
chopper wrote:
Now that is sad. |
When Alan Partridge was asked "Who are Wings" he replies "Only the band the Beatles could have been!"
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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dr wu23
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Posted: November 05 2013 at 17:45 |
Blacksword wrote:
chopper wrote:
Now that is sad. |
When Alan Partridge was asked "Who are Wings" he replies "Only the band the Beatles could have been!"
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Even more sad is that I had to look up who Alan Partidge is..... ....but then I'm an American.
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One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin
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chopper
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Posted: November 06 2013 at 06:20 |
Atavachron wrote:
In 'Tomorrow Never Knows' you can smell the acid; In 'Being for the Benefit of Mr. Kite!' you can smell the peanuts.
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Peanuts? Surely you mean sawdust? Or horse dung.
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someone_else
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Posted: November 06 2013 at 06:29 |
chopper wrote:
Atavachron wrote:
In 'Tomorrow Never Knows' you can smell the acid; In 'Being for the Benefit of Mr. Kite!' you can smell the peanuts. |
Peanuts? Surely you mean sawdust? Or horse dung. |
Both. And we may add candy floss and popcorn as well.
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Intruder
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Posted: November 07 2013 at 12:39 |
Don't know about critics or those fickle creeps who steer public opinion, but when I want to listen to the Beatles it's rarely Pepper's that I put on. It's Revolver, Rubber Soul, Mystery Tour, and I've even been on a bit of an early Beatles kick lately. I put on Abbey Road the other day and for the first time it just didn't move me....had to take it off. I think I just might've overplayed Pepper, White and Road, let's hope it stops there.
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I like to feel the suspense when you're certain you know I am there.....
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richardh
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Posted: November 08 2013 at 02:01 |
I only own those 2 albums by the Beatles and neither get played much. The Beatles produced amazing songs but not so amazing albums imo. (yes that is contradictory I know )
The Alan Partridge comment is funny. I may actually be Alan Partridge as I prefer Wings
Edited by richardh - November 08 2013 at 02:01
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Blacksword
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Posted: November 08 2013 at 04:12 |
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: November 08 2013 at 04:41 |
'Tomorrow Never Knows' is BRILLIANT. Knocks any track off of Pepper's (including 'A Day In The Life')......
The song should've been much, much longer.
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