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The Amy Walker bit was good except the Charleston accent is way dated.


An interesting point. I find the temporal differences in accents fascinating. For example, the way people speak in American films from the 1930's is drastically different than the way they speak now. It's a shame that recording technology is so new and we have no idea what people sounded like several centuries ago.


Indeed.  However, some linguists are able to piece such things together.  I think Beowulf can be recited close to its original language, can it not?
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Here's me reading a paragraph from Game of Thrones. Not too intense of an accent, no?


Too plain, I'd say.

(Not that you plain on narrating the series)

And you're no Morgan Freeman. 
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Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

The Amy Walker bit was good except the Charleston accent is way dated.


An interesting point. I find the temporal differences in accents fascinating. For example, the way people speak in American films from the 1930's is drastically different than the way they speak now. It's a shame that recording technology is so new and we have no idea what people sounded like several centuries ago.


Indeed.  However, some linguists are able to piece such things together.  I think Beowulf can be recited close to its original language, can it not?


Yes, but then there's no way of checking to see if they got it right, is there? Smile

I took a History of the English Language class in college and my teacher read some Old English aloud. To my ears, it was staggeringly lovely.
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Here's me reading a paragraph from Game of Thrones. Not too intense of an accent, no?

I still say you have a nice voice, and I can't hear an accent personally.


But he has one, depending on whom you ask.  Right Brits?  Aussies?
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Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

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Here's me reading a paragraph from Game of Thrones. Not too intense of an accent, no?


Too plain, I'd say.

(Not that you plain on narrating the series)

And you're no Morgan Freeman. 

Eh, I'm not an actor. Just a sample of the dialect ifyou can call it that. It's probably not as true to life. Get a few beers in me and I'll let loose with it.
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I am fortunate to speak 7 languages fluently (no talent there , learned them very young!), so accents come rather easily. I spoke Hungarian at home, went to French school , lived in an English neighborhood (Montreal) , had a Spanish tutor (cubano no es lindo!) on Saturdays and a German one on Sunday.  I can also do various Brit accents, Scot is somehow easier than Irish (when I finally realized that if your jaw doesn't move from alcohol stupor, the tongue will do Irish naturally! Lamp) , Afrikaner is quite hard to master, while English with a German accent is easy, French the same and Italian/Spanish also. Portuguese is not as pretty as Brazilian (they talk like they play futbol!) . As for my mother tongue, Hungarian is like an alien language from Mars with no resemblance to anything else.......  


I cannot imagine being fluent in three languages, much less seven.

This is one of America's biggest problems- a pride in multilingualism.

Ultra-nationalism is the main reason why this happens! Embarrassed People actually believe that learning another language requires a complete rebuild of all that one has learned from the mother tongue . FALSE! It has been proven that a normal average child between the ages of 5 and 14 with a basic IQ can absorb up to 10 languages SIMULTANEOUSLY . The young brain is a massive sponge with compartments that store this knowledge forever. Problem is finding the right drawer later. This is no talent, just another set of learning tools, like skiing, skating, kicking a ball or throwing a pitch. One just has to look at all the prog sub-genres as inspiration! LOL
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Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

The Amy Walker bit was good except the Charleston accent is way dated.


An interesting point. I find the temporal differences in accents fascinating. For example, the way people speak in American films from the 1930's is drastically different than the way they speak now. It's a shame that recording technology is so new and we have no idea what people sounded like several centuries ago.


Indeed.  However, some linguists are able to piece such things together.  I think Beowulf can be recited close to its original language, can it not?


Yes, but then there's no way of checking to see if they got it right, is there? Smile

I took a History of the English Language class in college and my teacher read some Old English aloud. To my ears, it was staggeringly lovely.


A lecturer convinced me.  But that was some time ago, and I doubt more than I accept these days.
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Uh....wat.
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Originally posted by tszirmay tszirmay wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by tszirmay tszirmay wrote:

I am fortunate to speak 7 languages fluently (no talent there , learned them very young!), so accents come rather easily. I spoke Hungarian at home, went to French school , lived in an English neighborhood (Montreal) , had a Spanish tutor (cubano no es lindo!) on Saturdays and a German one on Sunday.  I can also do various Brit accents, Scot is somehow easier than Irish (when I finally realized that if your jaw doesn't move from alcohol stupor, the tongue will do Irish naturally! Lamp) , Afrikaner is quite hard to master, while English with a German accent is easy, French the same and Italian/Spanish also. Portuguese is not as pretty as Brazilian (they talk like they play futbol!) . As for my mother tongue, Hungarian is like an alien language from Mars with no resemblance to anything else.......  


I cannot imagine being fluent in three languages, much less seven.

This is one of America's biggest problems- a pride in multilingualism.

Ultra-nationalism is the main reason why this happens! Embarrassed People actually believe that learning another language requires a complete rebuild of all that one has learned from the mother tongue . FALSE! It has been proven that a normal average child between the ages of 5 and 14 with a basic IQ can absorb up to 10 languages SIMULTANEOUSLY . The young brain is a massive sponge with compartments that store this knowledge forever. Problem is finding the right drawer later. This is no talent, just another set of learning tools, like skiing, skating, kicking a ball or throwing a pitch. One just has to look at all the prog sub-genres as inspiration! LOL


I misspoke in my previous post.  I meant to say, "a pride in monolingualism."

I have, off and on, been learning to speak Spanish.  I can somewhat understand some of my Hispanic students.

One student talked of "chaka chaka," thinking I did not know anything about the phrase.

I replied, "Yo tengo tres niños!"  Wink

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Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by tszirmay tszirmay wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by tszirmay tszirmay wrote:

I am fortunate to speak 7 languages fluently (no talent there , learned them very young!), so accents come rather easily. I spoke Hungarian at home, went to French school , lived in an English neighborhood (Montreal) , had a Spanish tutor (cubano no es lindo!) on Saturdays and a German one on Sunday.  I can also do various Brit accents, Scot is somehow easier than Irish (when I finally realized that if your jaw doesn't move from alcohol stupor, the tongue will do Irish naturally! Lamp) , Afrikaner is quite hard to master, while English with a German accent is easy, French the same and Italian/Spanish also. Portuguese is not as pretty as Brazilian (they talk like they play futbol!) . As for my mother tongue, Hungarian is like an alien language from Mars with no resemblance to anything else.......  


I cannot imagine being fluent in three languages, much less seven.

This is one of America's biggest problems- a pride in multilingualism.

Ultra-nationalism is the main reason why this happens! Embarrassed People actually believe that learning another language requires a complete rebuild of all that one has learned from the mother tongue . FALSE! It has been proven that a normal average child between the ages of 5 and 14 with a basic IQ can absorb up to 10 languages SIMULTANEOUSLY . The young brain is a massive sponge with compartments that store this knowledge forever. Problem is finding the right drawer later. This is no talent, just another set of learning tools, like skiing, skating, kicking a ball or throwing a pitch. One just has to look at all the prog sub-genres as inspiration! LOL


I misspoke in my previous post.  I meant to say, "a pride in monolingualism."

I have, off and on, been learning to speak Spanish.  I can somewhat understand some of my Hispanic students.

One student talked of "chaka chaka," thinking I did not know anything about the phrase.

I replied, "Yo tengo tres niños!"  Wink


Buena respuesta! Wink Spanish is probably the easiest language because there are no pronunciation exceptions, you say it the way you read it! Unlike absurd English with its knight (naite) and french with all the strange vowel combos (o, eau, au etc...) 
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Southern US: not my fav
Redneck: The word "idiot" comes to mind
Texas: I like it
Bronx/New Jersey: meh
Canadian: I'm very envious
Cockney: Birt's equivalent of our New Jersey, except worse
Manchester: I'm very envious
Posh: ew
Australian: meh
Latin American: meh
Mid-west: seems normal to me


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Originally posted by tszirmay tszirmay wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by tszirmay tszirmay wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by tszirmay tszirmay wrote:

I am fortunate to speak 7 languages fluently (no talent there , learned them very young!), so accents come rather easily. I spoke Hungarian at home, went to French school , lived in an English neighborhood (Montreal) , had a Spanish tutor (cubano no es lindo!) on Saturdays and a German one on Sunday.  I can also do various Brit accents, Scot is somehow easier than Irish (when I finally realized that if your jaw doesn't move from alcohol stupor, the tongue will do Irish naturally! Lamp) , Afrikaner is quite hard to master, while English with a German accent is easy, French the same and Italian/Spanish also. Portuguese is not as pretty as Brazilian (they talk like they play futbol!) . As for my mother tongue, Hungarian is like an alien language from Mars with no resemblance to anything else.......  


I cannot imagine being fluent in three languages, much less seven.

This is one of America's biggest problems- a pride in multilingualism.

Ultra-nationalism is the main reason why this happens! Embarrassed People actually believe that learning another language requires a complete rebuild of all that one has learned from the mother tongue . FALSE! It has been proven that a normal average child between the ages of 5 and 14 with a basic IQ can absorb up to 10 languages SIMULTANEOUSLY . The young brain is a massive sponge with compartments that store this knowledge forever. Problem is finding the right drawer later. This is no talent, just another set of learning tools, like skiing, skating, kicking a ball or throwing a pitch. One just has to look at all the prog sub-genres as inspiration! LOL


I misspoke in my previous post.  I meant to say, "a pride in monolingualism."

I have, off and on, been learning to speak Spanish.  I can somewhat understand some of my Hispanic students.

One student talked of "chaka chaka," thinking I did not know anything about the phrase.

I replied, "Yo tengo tres niños!"  Wink


Buena respuesta! Wink Spanish is probably the easiest language because there are no pronunciation exceptions, you say it the way you read it! Unlike absurd English with its knight (naite) and french with all the strange vowel combos (o, eau, au etc...) 


English's only defense is this:  English is not a "pure" language.  It is a mutt of many different languages: Greek, Latin, German, etc.  We borrow from some many languages that we have no identity, and then it's even more confusing since we add new words to it every year that creep in due to pop culture and technology.

Still a "merde" language, eh?  LOL
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Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by A Person A Person wrote:

Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

http://soundcloud.com/drewagler/a-dramatic-reading/s-hQbUQ

Here's me reading a paragraph from Game of Thrones. Not too intense of an accent, no?

I still say you have a nice voice, and I can't hear an accent personally.


But he has one, depending on whom you ask.  Right Brits?  Aussies?

That's ture, not to mention I live quite close to him.
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Uh....wat.

I was going to post that but couldn't remember which subreddit I saw it in. LOL
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I don't like Spanish. I don't know why, but I just don't like the sound and can't motivate myself to learn it. I love Italian, however, and am a language enthusiast in general. I have studied a good half dozen, but sadly have never mastered a second language to the point of fluidity.
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I don't like Spanish. I don't know why, but I just don't like the sound and can't motivate myself to learn it. I love Italian, however, and am a language enthusiast in general. I have studied a good half dozen, but sadly have never mastered a second language to the point of fluidity.


I truly believe that to be a shortcoming of America- whether public ed or private or  home school.  What say you?
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Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

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I don't like Spanish. I don't know why, but I just don't like the sound and can't motivate myself to learn it. I love Italian, however, and am a language enthusiast in general. I have studied a good half dozen, but sadly have never mastered a second language to the point of fluidity.


I truly believe that to be a shortcoming of America- whether public ed or private or  home school.  What say you?


I don't really agree. I think it's our geographical isolation rather than a fault of the education system. In Europe it's simply practical to learn several languages because of all the nearby countries, and you're bound to be exposed a lot to other languages. This is why so many people in the American southwest speak Spanish-they're around it all the time.

Someone living in, say, Ohio, has no reason to learn another language and is unlikely to encounter much exposure. Language is a very hard thing to acquire without consistent exposure.
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Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

I don't like Spanish. I don't know why, but I just don't like the sound and can't motivate myself to learn it. I love Italian, however, and am a language enthusiast in general. I have studied a good half dozen, but sadly have never mastered a second language to the point of fluidity.


I truly believe that to be a shortcoming of America- whether public ed or private or  home school.  What say you?


I don't really agree. I think it's our geographical isolation rather than a fault of the education system. In Europe it's simply practical to learn several languages because of all the nearby countries, and you're bound to be exposed a lot to other languages. This is why so many people in the American southwest speak Spanish-they're around it all the time.

Someone living in, say, Ohio, has no reason to learn another language and is unlikely to encounter much exposure. Language is a very hard thing to acquire without consistent exposure.

Not necessarily true, you are an apologist for linguistic secularism.  Internet and globalization has eliminated that excuse . There are few uni-ethnic areas left in America. 40 years ago being a polyglot in Europe was very rare , only among the diplomatic corps and the elite. But today , even Italians and Hungarians learn English. Many Americans have said to my face that they only need English , why learn anything else? as if I were a moron!   
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How is this for EXPOSURE : 

I got a good story for you, in 1980 I was in LA to give my mom away to her new surfer husband and one fine Sunday, I put on a suit and tie and went for a walk (Who walks in LA= stupid tourists!) down the celebrated Sunset Strip. As perhaps many know, the good neighborhoods collide with very bad ones, simply by crossing the street (good Beverly Hills, ok West Hollywood , bad Hollywood, good Hancock Park and finally landed in East LA , after going below an underpass. Everything was now in Spanish and it was not a pretty sight. There had been ugly riots there recently and as I turned to withdraw, I heard two Chicano dudes in leather jackets playing with a switchblade and mumbling in Spanish “Look at the pretty gringo, let’s cut his cojones off!”).

 

Running away? Stooooopid move, so I went up to them and in perfect Spanish told them “I am from Canada and I am looking for the church!” Their jovial response was “Conyo, hermano, come with us, we take you there” backslapping me and being super courteous. When I got to the church, the priest asked me if I was suicidal, as not even the cops dare to show up in this section of Los Angeles DURING THE DAY . Only later did I realize that they knew very well that I was no Latino brother (even though my tan was very rich) but because I spoke their language on their turf, I was to be respected. So I kept my testicles ….. 
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Originally posted by tszirmay tszirmay wrote:

Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

I don't like Spanish. I don't know why, but I just don't like the sound and can't motivate myself to learn it. I love Italian, however, and am a language enthusiast in general. I have studied a good half dozen, but sadly have never mastered a second language to the point of fluidity.


I truly believe that to be a shortcoming of America- whether public ed or private or  home school.  What say you?


I don't really agree. I think it's our geographical isolation rather than a fault of the education system. In Europe it's simply practical to learn several languages because of all the nearby countries, and you're bound to be exposed a lot to other languages. This is why so many people in the American southwest speak Spanish-they're around it all the time.

Someone living in, say, Ohio, has no reason to learn another language and is unlikely to encounter much exposure. Language is a very hard thing to acquire without consistent exposure.

Not necessarily true, you are an apologist for linguistic secularism.  Internet and globalization has eliminated that excuse . There are few uni-ethnic areas left in America. 40 years ago being a polyglot in Europe was very rare , only among the diplomatic corps and the elite. But today , even Italians and Hungarians learn English. Many Americans have said to my face that they only need English , why learn anything else? as if I were a moron!   


I don't really see that it contradicts what I said. Most of the internet is in English, so English speakers will not encounter foreign languages consistently unless they seek it out. It is also hard to become fluent through only reading and without speaking or listening. More Europeans are learning English today, presumably because of the influx of English media (movies, tv and the internet)
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 Many Americans have said to my face that they only need English , why learn anything else? as if I were a moron!   

It may have benefits, but I'd say they're fringe benefits for most Americans at best.
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