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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 27 2009 at 11:06
As long as just one band is producing prog rock, and us lot keep listening to prog, old and new, then it's still very much alive.

Some prog bands even still fill up stadiums; Rush, Radiohead and Dream Theater spring to mind..!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 27 2009 at 13:12
Prog has never died, and there is a multitude of fantastic modern music for us to cherish. I love the classic period, I love the second neo period, and I am getting a huge kick out of listening to modern, third wave, prog. This site has been the catalyst for the latter, in the main. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 27 2009 at 13:24

Interesting question. Last 40 years was made so much music that can be considered as "good" that you can listen it till death.

So even if prog is dead, you have big stack from which you can choose. Not talking about prog is not dead at all, just different.

Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Prog has never died, and there is a multitude of fantastic modern music for us to cherish. I love the classic period, I love the second neo period, and I am getting a huge kick out of listening to modern, third wave, prog. This site has been the catalyst for the latter, in the main. 

When you said it, how is current period of prog called ? Modern, yeah, but can we found better name ?

By the way I agree with you completely.



Edited by MartyMcFly89 - August 27 2009 at 13:26
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 27 2009 at 13:32
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"Prog" .. or whatever other word you must use to describe music ... was never dead ... I would say that more people lost sight of their tastes in music than otherwise ... and that's ok ... I'm not gonna tell you or anyone else they are stupid for listening to Metallica, or King Crimson or any other band out there ...
 
The problem is, that we're so empty inside ... so damn empty ... that we have to have some re-assurances that something exists and our friends agree ... well, I can tell you that if that was the type of inspiration that drove all the musicians that we love, I guarantee  you they would have quit by now ...
 
What was dead, was bored folks that did not know enough music think that prog died because Genesis was a pop band now and Pink Floyd told prog'rs where to stuff it! And some folks had nothing to write about!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 27 2009 at 13:53
Originally posted by MartyMcFly89 MartyMcFly89 wrote:

Interesting question. Last 40 years was made so much music that can be considered as "good" that you can listen it till death.

So even if prog is dead, you have big stack from which you can choose. Not talking about prog is not dead at all, just different.

Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Prog has never died, and there is a multitude of fantastic modern music for us to cherish. I love the classic period, I love the second neo period, and I am getting a huge kick out of listening to modern, third wave, prog. This site has been the catalyst for the latter, in the main. 

When you said it, how is current period of prog called ? Modern, yeah, but can we found better name ?

By the way I agree with you completely.



Cheers Marty. I'm struggling to think of a better word than modern, but, as I indicated in my post, I have always thought of prog coming in three waves. The original classic period, the 80s revival with bands such as Marillion, and the third wave,  predominently overseas from UK. So....how about the third WaveBig smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 27 2009 at 14:08
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Hi,
 
"Prog" .. or whatever other word you must use to describe music ... was never dead ... I would say that more people lost sight of their tastes in music than otherwise ... and that's ok ... I'm not gonna tell you or anyone else they are stupid for listening to Metallica, or King Crimson or any other band out there ...
 
The problem is, that we're so empty inside ... so damn empty ... that we have to have some re-assurances that something exists and our friends agree ... well, I can tell you that if that was the type of inspiration that drove all the musicians that we love, I guarantee  you they would have quit by now ...
 
What was dead, was bored folks that did not know enough music think that prog died because Genesis was a pop band now and Pink Floyd told prog'rs where to stuff it! And some folks had nothing to write about!

Damn, this post is so good. So right, so philosophically right.

I have some things in my mind:

1)prog is just word. Musicians do the best music they can (there's no point of doing otherwise) and they don't care if it's symphonic prog, if it's little bit jazz influenced, they just create it. But we, as humans, we, as listeners needs categorizing to organize our tastes. We needs to know what we like, what are similar bands to our favourite ones. Well, I know many people in real life (talking with proggers is nothing like real, boring life which only music, movies, books and my girl enlighten) that likes listening to radio, some pop station. They don't care what they listen, they say that they listen "everything". Show them prog and they will be bored, or aphatic, because they are used to think like that.

2)You started it, I'll finish it. Some nice formulation my mind just ran thru:

Prog was never dead, just one's personal tastes.

When someone loved 70s and then music of 70s was gone, his taste died. He had two choices, ether grief over it and listen over and over again this genre (which is quite big and also good), or add some new, try to get used to something different, for example neo-prog, jazz-prog, maybe even prog metal.

3)We are empty, that's true. In fact I'm 20 years old and music is main thing which keeps me running, working, studying.

There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless,"

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 27 2009 at 14:48
Nah. The first King Crimson album I bought was one of their 1990s albums, though it's only been very recently I've gotten into prog/psych bands started after the 1970s I've been aware of those for as long as I've been seriously into less known music.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 27 2009 at 15:06
Can a music style actually die? I don't think so... Prog was much less popular in the late 70's and 80's than ever, but that says nothing at all, there where lots of prog bands in the 80's too, they just where much more "underground". 

There will always be people who like a music style that's not mainstream, they will tell it to their friends and some of them will like it. they'll start a band and release a few records. They may not be as "succesful" as any popular artist, but they will keep the specific music style moving and alive. 

I can't think of any music style that is "dead" now. If a music style is over it's peak of popularity, like prog in the early 70's and punk in the late 70's, it certainly isn't dead, it's just a bit more difficult to find. 

The creativity has never been gone too, if you compare today's prog to prog from the 70's, you'll notice some significant changes. Prog, and any style of music, has always been moving, and a music style can't move without any creativity. take, for example, Marillion, on of the biggest prog bands from the 80's. Of course, one could clearly hear the Genesis influences... But in the end they where a totally different band, using their creativity to create something "fresh" and thus keeping prog moving. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 27 2009 at 15:10
I thought that, if not actually dead, it was certainly terminal during the 90s. Mind you I dont think I was listening too hard. I remember hearing PT for the first time in the mid-90s, Up The Downstair I believe, and dismissed it as rubbish. They're just about my favourite band now and that track is one of my favourites.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 27 2009 at 15:13
Reports of his death have been greatly exaggerated.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 27 2009 at 15:47
I never thought it dead because it was never dead to me.  Since I no longer pay any attention to popular trends and the hype machines that spawn them, Angry Censored I don't really care what's supposed to be in style.  If people are still listening and enjoying, then it's alive, no matter what the payola soaked magazines and radio stations say.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 27 2009 at 16:02
At one point in my life I definitely thought prog was dead.  Now I'm aware of modern progressive music, but I still think the majority of quality prog comes from the very late sixties and early seventies.  Theres obviously always exceptions though
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 27 2009 at 16:31
Nah, because I came into it differently. I found out about more of the classic prog first, but soon after that I found Dream Theater, Porcupine Tree, Tool, Spock's Beard, Opeth, The Flower Kings, Transatlantic, Rocket Scientists, Frost*... ok you get the picture. :P But yeah, there's a ton of modern prog I like, I think the movement is doing well.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 27 2009 at 17:50
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

I thought that, if not actually dead, it was certainly terminal during the 90s. Mind you I dont think I was listening too hard. I remember hearing PT for the first time in the mid-90s, Up The Downstair I believe, and dismissed it as rubbish. They're just about my favourite band now and that track is one of my favourites.
You cottoned-on to PT a while before me - not sure why or how I missed them for so long considering I bought No Man's Flowermouth when it came out.
 
Anyway - in answer to the OT - no I didn't think it was ever was dead - I may have shifted my allegiance to Gothic Rock and Metal for the most part of the 80s and 90s, but I still followed Pink Floyd, Peter Gabriel, Peter Hammill, Mike Oldfield, Phil Manzanera and Eno, along with Marillion and Pendragon of the "next generation". I also regard much of the "intelligent" rock music of that period as owing a lot more to Prog than people give it credit for.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 27 2009 at 18:08
By the time I found prog it was already dead... Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 27 2009 at 18:50
Around 1978, almost all of my favorite bands, particularly in the U.S. and U.K., began "dumbing down" and homogenizing their sound. By the early 1980s, I not only thought that prog was dead but that music was dead, period. There were almost no creative musicians or bands. I gave up on the radio and listened to the music I'd already acquired.
Then one night I was making a long late-night drive; I was hoping to get some baseball scores and put on a Sandusky, Ohio, radio station noted for news on the hour and the worst pop music ever recorded.
What I heard blew me away. First, I heard a cut off of Suzanne Vega's first album, which had just come out -- it was the first new "real" music I'd heard in years. That was followed by a song which I thought must be off of a new Peter Gabriel album -- I was excited because it sounded like classic Genesis.
Turned out it was Marillion.
I realized that neither prog nor music was dead; you just had to look a little harder to find it. Today I think it's a renaissance of sorts: There is more great music available now than at any time in my life. (I'll be 52 next week). Virtually everything I've ever heard or owned is now available in one form or another, and there are dozens of new groups cranking out fantastic albums.
But in the late 70s/early 80s I thought music was dead.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 27 2009 at 19:11
Prog was never dead, the problem was if you wanted a recording contract or to keep one, the record execs insisted you sound like a pop new wave band, or create music like ASIA's heat of the moment, YES's owner of a lonley heart, etc
 
The Neo prog bands like Marillion, IQ, Pendragon either refused to become a pop act, or got tired of it, and decided to make the music they wanted to play.
 
Same with the latter day prog bands like the Flower Kings, Spock's Beard, Anglagard, Ritual, Everon etc
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 28 2009 at 01:02
When I discovered prog, but not the Internet (it was a new thing) I though prog was almost exclusively 70's thing and entirely dead. And I didn't had a clue about "progressive rock", I knew only for "symho rock" or "jazz rock" or "art rock"...even "space rock" (thanks to the French History Of Rock comic book)...but most often it was just "70's music that I like".

The music of The Black Crowes raised my hope there might be a new music around that is influneced by 70's rock...and perhaps sympho&art rock. This was before Internet, mind you..and I was not aware of existence of prog metal or post rock (although I was aware of some connections between prog and classical heavy metal more than majority are giving them credit for...). And then a few names appeared that made me think So ,there are bands still doing somewhat similar music which I might like, although in a modern way! Those bands were...Ne Zhdali Kopecky and Anastasia. (Macedonian band)

And then came the Internet, and with my first Altavista searches of Pavlov's Dog, Jethro Tull, PFM, ELP...the term progressive rock started popping out, and I thought Rock that is...progressive? Progressive Rock? Yes, that sums up nicely the bands I like! What a nice term!

And the rest is history...prog is alive and well.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 28 2009 at 09:20
That last paragraph I always thought was interesting.  When did the term "progressive rock" start being used and who first used it?  When we first started digging ELP, Tull ,Yes etc. we never called it prog.  We called it "weird stuff" and the fact that we listened to it was like a badge of honor.  To our amazement it became popular.
 
Anyway back to the topic.  I`ll have to admit that there was about a 5 year window between the late 70s and Marillion where I thought it had died.  Even Marillion being played on the air was a brief hiccup so I figured it was just a freak thing.  I always found creative music to listen to like Steve Morse etc. but it wasn`t prog.  It wasn`t until the internet that I realized that it had just moved underground.  Now all these unknown bands (past and present) are being discovered and my love for prog has been renewed.  So many new bands to discover and so many I missed.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 28 2009 at 09:56
Originally posted by harmony harmony wrote:

That last paragraph I always thought was interesting.  When did the term "progressive rock" start being used and who first used it?  When we first started digging ELP, Tull ,Yes etc. we never called it prog.  We called it "weird stuff" and the fact that we listened to it was like a badge of honor.  To our amazement it became popular.
I may have mentioned this before once or twice - here in the UK the term was in regular use in the early 70s by those who were buying the albums at the time - in much the same way as the word "Emo" was regular in use in the early 90s before it became popular (ie by the mainstream music press) 10 years later.
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