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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2009 at 01:34
Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:


Originally posted by progkidjoel progkidjoel wrote:

This is great - I love it!

Thankyou SO MUCH for posting!

-Joel
you're very welcome. Big smile


I... Sort of added it to my "Countdown to The Incident" post, but I'll edit it and thank you for posting about it first!

Thanks again
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2009 at 01:41
Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:

Originally posted by Any Colour You Like Any Colour You Like wrote:

Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:

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Oh yeah, and PT have been considered Floyd clones before.
 


Again, why do people think this is news to me? I'm very well aware of the Floyd comparisons, I've been here a while. I'm just pointing out the obvious in this particular track's case.

Porcupine Tree hasn't sounded like Pink Floyd in years, and for them to go back to that place again seems kind of regressive. That's all I'm pointing out.


I know this is not news to you, I was simply stating the point. I agree that the comparison is obvious, it's pretty hard not to notice.

I'm not so sure that it is a regression for PT to sound like PF, however I would have thought that if PT were to release another blatant TSMS, then sure.  But I still beleive that it is too early to tell just from the single.


No, I'm still hopeful. Remember how we were both freaking out at the demo? LOL So I'm definately still looking forward to this. I even like this song fine, but I just got sad when I heard the utter lack of individuality. Cry

I'm sure the rest of the album will be better, though. I haven't known PT to sound like that for an entire album's length. And let's not forget the main suite, which I'm sure will be full of surprises. Smile

Sorry if I came off as a bit grouchy. It's past my bed time LOL


As a massive PT fan(boy) myself, I know what you mean, but I just feel that there are worse things that Steven Wilson could have done that take one of the best prog albums of all time (< that comment now protected by anti-flame suit) and base it for the single for his next album.

Anyway, it's still a charming song.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2009 at 01:43
Originally posted by Any Colour You Like Any Colour You Like wrote:

Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:

Originally posted by Any Colour You Like Any Colour You Like wrote:

Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:

Originally posted by Any Colour You Like Any Colour You Like wrote:



Oh yeah, and PT have been considered Floyd clones before.
 


Again, why do people think this is news to me? I'm very well aware of the Floyd comparisons, I've been here a while. I'm just pointing out the obvious in this particular track's case.

Porcupine Tree hasn't sounded like Pink Floyd in years, and for them to go back to that place again seems kind of regressive. That's all I'm pointing out.


I know this is not news to you, I was simply stating the point. I agree that the comparison is obvious, it's pretty hard not to notice.

I'm not so sure that it is a regression for PT to sound like PF, however I would have thought that if PT were to release another blatant TSMS, then sure.  But I still beleive that it is too early to tell just from the single.


No, I'm still hopeful. Remember how we were both freaking out at the demo? LOL So I'm definately still looking forward to this. I even like this song fine, but I just got sad when I heard the utter lack of individuality. Cry

I'm sure the rest of the album will be better, though. I haven't known PT to sound like that for an entire album's length. And let's not forget the main suite, which I'm sure will be full of surprises. Smile

Sorry if I came off as a bit grouchy. It's past my bed time LOL


As a massive PT fan(boy) myself, I know what you mean, but I just feel that there are worse things that Steven Wilson could have done that take one of the best prog albums of all time (< that comment now protected by anti-flame suit) and base it for the single for his next album.

Anyway, it's still a charming song.


I've listened to it a few times more and I am liking it better than I did initially.

And yes, "Animals" is one of the greatest Prog albums of all time in my book as well. Wink

p.s. Besides, I'm sure I have and will continue to 'rip-off' a few of my favorite artists as well in my day. I'm not all that concerned about it.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2009 at 02:30

OK.......( no more no less )

Hard to judge from those small cuts. Time Flies is not bad.
 
I still prefer the Vaya Con Dios version though LOL


Edited by tamijo - August 05 2009 at 02:35
Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2009 at 04:45
Just uses a similar strumming pattern on the accoustic- not similar chords or progression, though

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2009 at 06:52
I quite like this!  Can see what everyone's saying with the 'Animals' comparison, but I like the song nonetheless!  I don't think it would sound out of place on Lightbulb Sun either if I may be so bold!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2009 at 06:57
Originally posted by Johnny_Tsunami Johnny_Tsunami wrote:

I quite like this!  Can see what everyone's saying with the 'Animals' comparison, but I like the song nonetheless!  I don't think it would sound out of place on Lightbulb Sun either if I may be so bold!


Really?

I think it would've done amazingly on IN ABSENTIA, but then again, that is one of the few nearly perfect albums.

Great stuff - Listening again now

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2009 at 07:40
I am a huge PT fan,but this song did nothing for me.Hope the rest of the album is more enjoyable to me than this.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2009 at 09:40
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Oh, I'm sorry, am I late for something? I didn't realize I couldn't just have an honest opinion of a musical piece without being accuse of being a bandwagon jumper. Wink

As to what I'm accusing; absolutely. I think it's obvious that this is an inspiration-less song ripped straight off of Waters and Gilmours' backs. Wilson hasn't done something this blatant since 'Sky Moves Sideways'.

I'm a huge Porcupine Tree fan, and I care about the band's originality. I'm not just trying to slam them without cause. I will still by the album and all; I just hope the rest of the tracks are much more unique.


I don't think The Sky Moves Sideways is copying anything from Floyd whatsoever, nor do I think so for Time Flies. It's incidental that things sound somewhat similar. (Time Flies sounds nothing like Dogs to me by the way, neither in the lyrics or music, and only somewhat reminds me of Sheep but the similarity is nothing but incidental).

I've always been irritated by comparisons to Floyd, mainly because I think The Sky Moves Sideways and Up the Downstair have all the spacey elements of classic Floyd, but do everything better to my ears. Nothing Pink Floyd ever did as an album pleases me as much as The Sky Moves Sideways.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2009 at 09:58
Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

I am a huge PT fan,but this song did nothing for me.Hope the rest of the album is more enjoyable to me than this.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2009 at 14:01
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:


Oh, I'm sorry, am I late for something? I didn't realize I couldn't just have an honest opinion of a musical piece without being accuse of being a bandwagon jumper. Wink

As to what I'm accusing; absolutely. I think it's obvious that this is an inspiration-less song ripped straight off of Waters and Gilmours' backs. Wilson hasn't done something this blatant since 'Sky Moves Sideways'.

I'm a huge Porcupine Tree fan, and I care about the band's originality. I'm not just trying to slam them without cause. I will still by the album and all; I just hope the rest of the tracks are much more unique.


I don't think The Sky Moves Sideways is copying anything from Floyd whatsoever, nor do I think so for Time Flies. It's incidental that things sound somewhat similar. (Time Flies sounds nothing like Dogs to me by the way, neither in the lyrics or music, and only somewhat reminds me of Sheep but the similarity is nothing but incidental).

I've always been irritated by comparisons to Floyd, mainly because I think The Sky Moves Sideways and Up the Downstair have all the spacey elements of classic Floyd, but do everything better to my ears. Nothing Pink Floyd ever did as an album pleases me as much as The Sky Moves Sideways.


Well, if you yourself can't hear the similarities much, then of course I see where you're coming from. I just wanted to make sure that you were aware that I wasn't simply comparing them to Floyd because everybody else does it; I truly do believe this is a Dogs/Sheep clone.

In all actuality, there was only one other instance when this closeness between the two bands was as obvious, and that was "The Sky Moves Sideways". Even the track layout mimics 'Wish You Were Here'.

But on the whole, I have never considered PT a PF 'clone' before, so this is actually a first for me. I don't WANT them to be a clone of anybody else, but it's just how I honestly feel about this track.

In the end, though, it's not that big of a deal. I'm still going to buy the album and enjoy it, but I do hope the other tracks on the album sound more original.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2009 at 14:27
I regard Animals as being right up there as Floyd's greatest moments. I also love Wilson & PT, but the comparisons to Animals are so obvious they barely need repeating by me.

Having said that, listening to it now, I'm really enjoying it. I LOVE reinterpretations of classics by great bandsLOLLOLLOLLOL

I will definitely get the new LP - I would have done anyway.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2009 at 15:04
Just to point out the similarities between this and 'Dogs': http://home.no/johan-af/ptpf.mp3

The guitar strumming patterns are not exactly alike, but very similar. Also note the synth thingy in the background.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2009 at 15:14
I dont care for it much, I preferred 'time flies' when it was on the album sampler. ;)
 
We'll see, it's probably alot better in the context of the 55 minute track.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2009 at 16:15
I dont think one song can excite or disappoint me. I need the whole package... Smile.
 
PT has PF influence, no question but its not clone, and neither a rip-off. At the same time this song is a bit un PT without much twists. But without the whole CD its not a fair judgement yet. I am sure surprises are waiting...


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2009 at 17:34
Remember everyone, Time Flies is listed on the LP at over 10 minutes (If I'm correct) and the single is the 5 minute radio edit.

Thus, there is 5 minutes of the song we don't hear... the section not appropriate for the single perhaps?

Anyway, I'll judge the full album when I get it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2009 at 18:06
my favorite porcupine tree songs are the ones that sound like Pink floyd
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2009 at 01:51

I doubt I'll ever grow to like it.

As soon as I heard the "Dogs" guitar and the cheesey lyrics based on song titles - an idea blatantly taken from Barclay James Harvest's "Titles" on Time Honoured Ghosts", and the vocals which sound like BJH's, I didn't want to hear any more.
 
I don't know why, I just felt really annoyed to hear a song with other people's ideas so starkly presented - like that awful Madonna song that starts with the ABBA sample, or Vanilla Ice using the Queen/Bowie sample.
 
I'll give the album a listen, as it is so keenly anticipated - but I've always been disappointed with PTs material generally. What I've heard is too poppy and not at all Prog.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2009 at 07:08
to me, this says nothing about the album. If not that not all tracks are masterpieces...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2009 at 08:38
P0mt3 I don't know why you're freaking out. You do realize that PT has been trying to sound like PF since they started. I mean come on.
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