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MovingPictures07
Prog Reviewer Joined: January 09 2008 Location: Beasty Heart Status: Offline Points: 32181 |
Posted: October 16 2008 at 16:55 | |
That makes the three of us. |
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TGM: Orb
Prog Reviewer Joined: October 21 2007 Location: n/a Status: Offline Points: 8052 |
Posted: October 16 2008 at 18:03 | |
He should, but it's sort of sad that truly incredible players like Jaxon and Banton (my ability to spell his name varies daily, though) don't get that much appreciation here. |
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LiquidEternity
Prog Reviewer Joined: December 07 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 900 |
Posted: October 16 2008 at 18:09 | |
Yeah, David Jackson still blows my mind. For the most part, saxophone is an uninteresting and overused instrument except when he is strangling one. His wild soloing at the apocalyptic outro of White Hammer might be one of my favorite musical moments
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The Quiet One
Prog Reviewer Joined: January 16 2008 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 15745 |
Posted: October 16 2008 at 21:27 | |
Not quoting your post really, but have you noticed that your avatar if you blink fastly it really dizzes you up, seems as a optical illusion ...Sorry for changing subject... Best band ever? Hmm, no, not for me at least. Though I enjoy them, Godbluff and Still Life are excellent examples of excellent key-leading bands/albums, as well as lyric-lead. Though not my everyday meal, the Eclectic Sub-genre doesn't seem quite for me, though I enjoy the most famous ones, none of them are faves, though Gentle Giant is close. Great band, but as Antoine and others said, they're not in my "top 50". |
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Philéas
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 14 2006 Status: Offline Points: 6419 |
Posted: October 17 2008 at 12:13 | |
There are so many best bands ever for me, so it's hard to be sure, though VdGG are definitely my favourites when it comes to prog.
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AlexUC
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 06 2007 Location: Noveria Status: Offline Points: 392 |
Posted: October 20 2008 at 20:03 | |
Well, I can't say the best or my favorite, but completely special. The two features I love the most about this band are: - Hammill's voice. My favorite singer. Not much to say here. - Guy Evan's drumming. One of my favorite drummers (just below Cobham maybe) his style is perfect for VDGG. Of course Jackson and Banton are impressive too!! My favorite moment is the middle part of The emperor on his war-room... Ahhh, how I love this song!! |
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TGM: Orb
Prog Reviewer Joined: October 21 2007 Location: n/a Status: Offline Points: 8052 |
Posted: October 20 2008 at 21:16 | |
OK. Thanks for the responses. Going to vent my fanboyism a bit here with a couple of more detailed posts on individual parts or lyrics later.
For now: Orb's favourite bits of VDGG Vocals - A Plague Of Lighthouse Keepers Hammill's biggest appeal to me is that he expresses emotions which I've not really even heard other singers attempt. Complex emotions, not just angry or sad or happy, but hesitant, uncertain anger, lonely and increasing sadness, joy gradually coming out from pain and grief, coming from a sense of purpose. This track is the real peak of that, in my opinion. Saxophone - Sleepwalkers I do so enjoy seeing an essentially fairly harmless jazzy instrument being used to pull off guitarish licks with extra grit and verve, trading blows with an organ. Pure rock, unique sound and a stunning performance. Equally, I defy anyone not to be moved by the sax solo on My Room (Waiting For Wonderland) Flute - Out Of My Book I can't quite explain this one so well, but the ethereal flutes really convey a sort of drifting, uncertain background, the answers floating away. Absolutely love that melody. Drums/Percussion - House With No Door Easily the most difficult choice, since I'm less good at listening for these. Maybe, actually, House With No Door. Love it when a drummer can fit his own style neatly into a soft song rather than simply waiting before the big explosion at the end. Bass - Pioneers Over c Directional, energetic, and able to take a lead role without feeling either drowned out or redundant. Incredible force, catchy hooks. Everything. Acoustic Guitar - Killer Short, sweet melodic additions, giving something incredibly beautiful in the midst of such a dark song, yet only really intensifying the feeling and leaving behind a sort of drowning feeling... the sense of the loss of that brief melody. Organ - Pioneers Over c The rock organ performance, in my opinion. Gradual, developing force, modulation of distance, love the way it's phrased. Energetic in the lead, and shining in the background. Piano - Still Life Again, the complex expression thing. That particular song is life without a sense of meaning, sort of going through the motions but in a worn out way. Idyllic, yet at the same time unexpectedly flawed. The piano on it is so full of loss, of hesitation and of gradual settlement. Electric Guitar - Meurglys III Can't really explain this one yet. Will find a way, eventually. So... a mixture of comprehensible and incomprehensible reasons. If I'm being productive/skiving off team work tomorrow, I'll get out something about that solo on APOLK. |
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AlexUC
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 06 2007 Location: Noveria Status: Offline Points: 392 |
Posted: October 21 2008 at 12:38 | |
Well, you've come into the hard task of choosing your favorite sections of VDGG songs... That would be something very hard for me Well, just like you, the vocal part that I love the most is certainly in A Plague. Oh god, I've never heard someone singing like this. And the live version in the Godbluff DVD is amazing. I think this is my favorite moment (fortunately, a 23 minutes moment ) |
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AlexUC
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 06 2007 Location: Noveria Status: Offline Points: 392 |
Posted: October 21 2008 at 12:41 | |
Oh god, this is what happens to me when speaking about favorite VDGG song, I've just changed my favorite moment in the count of two posts
Edited by AlexUC - October 21 2008 at 12:47 |
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omri
Forum Senior Member Joined: April 21 2005 Location: Israel Status: Offline Points: 1250 |
Posted: October 22 2008 at 11:48 | |
I think trying to explain why I love one track better than other based on details like the singing or guitar playing or that kind of things is very interesting but in a way misses the point.
I totally agree about the expression of complicated emotions as one of VDGG's definite strengths.
Personally I will mention 4 songs that I love most and try shortly to explain why :
My room (waiting for wonderland) - A very sad song. The sadness of a child is something that moves me deeply.
La rossa - A love song that obviously occurs only in the writer's thoughts (dreams ?). No way it will ever come true. Do I like it cause I'm this kind of a guy ? Better not answer this question.
Pioneers over C - 1 year after the first man on the moon and Hamill already think of Astronouts who go for a lifetime journey to space and how will they suffer from lonliness. What a great pesimistic attitude (and what a moving song).
Murglyss III - Like TGM Orb I can't realy explain why I love this one so much (well, the lyrics are great but this is quite usual in VDGG's output). I find this track hypnotic. Probably my favorite of them all.
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Alberto Muñoz
Forum Senior Member Joined: July 26 2006 Location: Mexico Status: Offline Points: 3577 |
Posted: October 22 2008 at 13:50 | |
Very Good band, but best ever???
Probably yes but not a definitive one.
I like all their output
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sean
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 02 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1155 |
Posted: October 29 2008 at 15:38 | |
agreed.
It's really nice to have a place where people know who this band is, let alone like them as much as me.
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Negoba
Prog Reviewer Joined: July 24 2008 Location: Big Muddy Status: Offline Points: 5208 |
Posted: October 29 2008 at 17:22 | |
Ok, I must admit I have not been able to gent in to VdGG yet. But a few years ago I couldn't get into Gentle Giant and now.....it's pathetic. Where does one start? Is there any album that is going to overwhelm you with it's awesomeness from note one as say "Dancing with the Moonlit Knight" does for Genesis. (My first early Genesis experience and for the most part first prog experience beside "Roundabout" and Floyd)
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You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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AlexUC
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 06 2007 Location: Noveria Status: Offline Points: 392 |
Posted: October 29 2008 at 18:15 | |
Godbluff starts a-la SEBTP with a very impressive and accessible "The Undercover Man", maybe you could start with that album... IMO is their most friendly, while capturing the very essence VDGG is. H to He is another relatively accessible, with beautiful songs like 'House with no door' and 'The emperor on his war-room', very enjoyable from firsts listens. But, there's no Fragile or Selling England with VDGG, all the core albums are pretty experimental and unexpected (even avant if you want...). In my case, I started with one of the more experimental, Pawn Hearts, but it blowed me from the fist time... Maybe that could work for you, depending on your taste Good luck discovering this great world VDGG is!!! |
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ignatiusrielly
Forum Groupie Joined: September 12 2008 Status: Offline Points: 55 |
Posted: October 30 2008 at 11:33 | |
One of the greatest bands ever. The best??? well, that´s a matter of taste. At least they did what Genesis should have done: they split up! A killer band that never was lost. BTW, not only did they lack a guitar player but a proper bass player too!! (for the most of their carreer) Some of the bass lines are slightly out of time. I wonder what Pawn Hearts could have sounded like had the excellent Nic Potter been there with his bass.
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Four pails of water and a bagfull of salts
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bucka001
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 16 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 864 |
Posted: October 30 2008 at 13:48 | |
For me, the best band ever. Saw them nine times; 7 times in '05, 2 times in '07. They were great every time! By the way, the VdGG book is back in stock (finally) at www.amazon.co.uk
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Zargus
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 08 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 3491 |
Posted: November 03 2008 at 05:36 | |
Yup they are my favorit prog band, im a Vdgg fan boy. and proud of it!
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rosenbach
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 16 2009 Location: Mexico City Status: Offline Points: 311 |
Posted: January 17 2009 at 16:56 | |
Best band ever? Hard to say but i agree with aapatsos they're UNIQUE, and one of my top 5 for sure. As someone mentioned is an acquired taste (as in my case Gentle Giant, Il Balletto di Bronzo and many others)and it's a shame they were never so popular at the time (except maybe in Italy where in the early 70's they were more popular than in they own country, more popular than Genesis with Gabriel!).
Anyway i think their new albums are quite good, unfortunately David Jackson is not on Trisector anymore (can't understand why he wasn't on the tour either but instead he was giging with Osanna). |
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The Hemulen
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 31 2004 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 5964 |
Posted: January 17 2009 at 18:17 | |
Bloody bloody bloody good band but not my absolute favourite.As others have said, their output's been patchy (then again, same goes for pretty much every band that doesn't jack it in after a couple of albums) and their most recent effort has certainly done little to elevate them, IMO.
Pawn Hearts and Godbluff are 100% jaw-dropping awesomeness, though. Sheer wonderment. |
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A B Negative
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 02 2006 Location: Methil Republic Status: Offline Points: 1594 |
Posted: January 18 2009 at 14:11 | |
If every album was as amazing as The Least We Can Do, H To He or Pawn Hearts they would be the best band ever. Unfortunately, their other albums don't amaze me as much. Aerosol Grey Machine has its moments but you can debate whether it's a "real" VDGG album or not. From Godbluff onwards their albums are patchy; good but not great. And the new stuff hasn't grabbed my attention at all.
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"The disgusting stink of a too-loud electric guitar.... Now, that's my idea of a good time."
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