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Trickster F.
Prog Reviewer Joined: February 10 2006 Location: Belize Status: Offline Points: 5308 |
Posted: November 20 2006 at 13:19 | |
Agreed with the last part of the first sentence, not for those reasons though.
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Pnoom!
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 02 2006 Location: OH Status: Offline Points: 4981 |
Posted: November 20 2006 at 13:20 | |
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Bryan
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Posted: November 20 2006 at 13:25 | |
Oh come on, Tony can get away with namedropping Ted Nugent yet CoB are entirely out of the question? What's this world coming to? |
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SignalToNoise
Forum Groupie Joined: October 01 2006 Location: Switzerland Status: Offline Points: 48 |
Posted: November 20 2006 at 13:37 | |
Swearing killing songs? lol, definitely not! Listen to Zappa!
Anyway, I don't own this transatlantic CD but I can not imagine that any word can affect the atmosphere on any record..! |
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el böthy
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 27 2005 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 6336 |
Posted: November 20 2006 at 13:59 | |
It really depends who says it for me. Cause if...Jon Anderson comes out saying "lets all f**k tonight", well that would be just plain stupid. But when Maynard shouts "Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck you buddy" in Hooker with a pennis, its just orgasmic...oh sorry, f**king orgasmic
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"You want me to play what, Robert?"
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chopper
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Posted: November 20 2006 at 13:59 | |
"Hey Jude" contains a profanity from John Lennon towards the end, before the "na na na" bit. He fluffs a backing vocal and shouts "f***ing hell!". You probably wouldn't notice it unless you knew it was there.
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Chicapah
Prog Reviewer Joined: February 14 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 8238 |
Posted: November 20 2006 at 14:16 | |
My thinking is that if you are going to swear, then go ahead and do
it. On "Artificial Smile" by Riverside the singer, Duda, sings
"I'm only happy when they F you" (or something like that) and it just
sounds ridiculous to me. Maybe they were trying to avoid getting
the parental warning sticker on the cd case.
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"Literature is well enough, as a time-passer, and for the improvement and general elevation and purification of mankind, but it has no practical value" - Mark Twain
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sm sm
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 02 2005 Status: Offline Points: 155 |
Posted: November 20 2006 at 14:29 | |
When used in a justified way, swearing is acceptable. To use it now would not be acceptable
What I find ignorant is the use of fancy words in order to show one's superority of intelligence - see many letters to the editor.
To use it to describe such a person being a pompous a**hole would be acceptable.
What I find offensive is inappropriate gross talk. I never understood why the need to include the lyric "snot is running down his nose" in Tull's Aqualung.
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Firepuck
Forum Senior Member Joined: February 28 2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 657 |
Posted: November 20 2006 at 14:47 | |
While I'm not a fan of swearing I find the imagery of Anderson's lyrics excellent, the above included.
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Kryten : "'Pub'? Ah yes, A meeting place where humans attempt to achieve advanced states of mental incompetence by the repeated consumption of fermented vegetable drinks."
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The Hemulen
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Posted: November 20 2006 at 14:48 | |
Aqualung is a musical and poetic portrait of a vile, decript old man. In what way is that lyric inappropriate in such a context? |
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ResidentAlien
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Posted: November 20 2006 at 14:55 | |
Yes, "nuff said," because Phil Collins is the end-all-be-all authority on what is right and what is wrong. Which is precisely why we have such monumental masterpieces as Invisible Touch. http://youtube.com/watch?v=8ISil7IHzxc Watch^. Be enlightened. Edited by ResidentAlien - November 20 2006 at 14:55 |
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VanderGraafKommandöh
Prog Reviewer Joined: July 04 2005 Location: Malaria Status: Offline Points: 89372 |
Posted: November 20 2006 at 15:05 | |
I love that part! |
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The Hemulen
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Posted: November 20 2006 at 15:07 | |
It's a corker, innit? |
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The Miracle
Prog Reviewer Joined: May 29 2005 Location: hell Status: Offline Points: 28427 |
Posted: November 20 2006 at 15:26 | |
I agree. I couldn't care less... f**k is one of the most beautiful words in the English language if you ask me... |
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VanderGraafKommandöh
Prog Reviewer Joined: July 04 2005 Location: Malaria Status: Offline Points: 89372 |
Posted: November 20 2006 at 15:30 | |
Ansen, you're Russian, your opinion doesn't count.
TP: yes, I love that album. I'm still coming to grips with it. Is that a tango being played on the last track? I'm useless at working out things like that. |
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tdbark
Forum Groupie Joined: November 13 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 81 |
Posted: November 20 2006 at 16:19 | |
The most surprising instance of the F word was during Pigs (Three Different Ones). "You f**ked up old hag." I remember listening to that on the radio (along with the Who's Who Are You ["Who the f**k are you?"]) and thinking, my god, did he just sing that? Later when I bought the album, I discovered that he did. There were some great mavericks back in '70's album-oriented rock stations. In both those instances I believe that contextually the word fits. But in-between songs (with the exception of the afore-mentioned Ted Nugent... the Motor City Madman has way with words... lol ... and you knew that that was part of his act) in a performance that was not necessarily promoted as "Rated M for mature" I would like the performers to show a little restraint, given there might be some young teens in the audience.
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Twenty men crossing a bridge into a village,
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piltdown man
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 30 2006 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 107 |
Posted: November 20 2006 at 16:28 | |
I never had any problems with Fish cursing - his monologues during the concerts were very enjoyable most of the times.
Hearing the whole audience join Fish in that Garden Party-line was interesting - it seemed like people who didn´t know any songs or lyrics at least knew that line!
Whats with the word Fugazi? Is that the F -word as used by American soldiers in Vietnam - I think´I´ve read that in some Fish interview or am I totally misinformed?
My opinions in the question asked is that the use of swearing in songs can be totally right in the right context and if not only used for some cheap effect.
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Certif1ed
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Posted: November 20 2006 at 16:37 | |
[QUOTE=piltdown man] ...Whats with the word Fugazi? Is that the F -word as used by American soldiers in Vietnam - I think´I´ve read that in some Fish interview or am I totally misinformed?[QUOTE]
You're informed correctly - it means the same as the last two letters of SNAFU I still remember the shock I got the first time I heard the Woodstock soundtrack, when Country Joe does the Fish cheer - but somehow, that's art. Skid Row's use of the word in "Get the f**k Out" is also inspired - but somehow, W.A.S.P's "Animal, I f**k Like a Beast" seems retarted because of the use of the word. I'd say it depends on the context - largely that between listener and artist |
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The Wizard
Prog Reviewer Joined: July 18 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 7341 |
Posted: November 20 2006 at 16:40 | |
It's just a word. A word has no morality. It's silly to jugde something like a word.
Sometimes a well placed 'f**k' can be used to a wonderful effect. Take Ween for example.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: November 20 2006 at 16:44 | |
Let me quote Devin Townsend, on Steve Vai's album Sex & Religion, right at the end of the song Sex & Religion:
"holy sh*t. holy jesus christ, I hurt your brain, hah, great god, steve, oh My fingers are numb, right now Yeah, theyre numb Can I deprive my brain of oxygen?" |
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