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Points: 6699 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2006 at 12:16
Of course the loss of someone like Zarqawi is a success for the U.S., but it's by no means a sign of victory.  Zarqawi is not the only man who is willing or smart enough to organize and do the things he did.  We have seen the end of Zarqawi, but we have by no means seen the end of the insurgencys.

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Points: 1695 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2006 at 12:50
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by marktheshark marktheshark wrote:

Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by marktheshark marktheshark wrote:

Aren't you 2 sweet!

Yeah, I pretty much agree across the board here. He's gone and now history, let's move on and get this crap over with George!
      


Well, if me and Nets can agree on something, sorting out Iraq should be a doddle!
     
Didn't Zaqawi have a $25,000,000 bounty on his head? Who gets that?

I think it's some insider they had that gave them the tip. This guy set it up to meet with him and led them to him.

Now you see, this is what I've been driving home all along. It is this type of old fashioned covert human intell is what we need in this war. We've been relying too much on electronic surveillance. I know this means dealing with shady characters and it is dirty business, but it can work. We need to get back to the 50's and 60's type intell work my old man used to oversee.
    


Do you think Saddams regime could have been overthrown, through clandestine means, and if so could we have avoided war?

I've always thought that we could have gone about regime change - assuming the arguments for this were sound - by using special forces, covert intell etc.

I've often wondered why we didn't deal with Saddam when he invaded Kuwait. Were the logistics not in place, or were there political reasons why we needed him to remain in power at that time?
    

It would've taken a long time, but yes I think Saddam could've been taken out with clandestine means. I think the problem with Castro and why we couldn't knock him out that way was because of the Soviet Union backing him. Saddam was a much easier target and more isolated.

I hate to get political here but it goes back to Carter with him putting all these restrictions on intell capabilities. But Reagan didn't do much better either. My old man didn't like Reagan, he was hoping he would lift these restrictions but didn't.
    
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Points: 3047 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2006 at 13:06
^ Yea I agree the intelligence agencies need more broad powers.  I was outraged by the NSA phone scandal, until I realized what it actually was, and how it was completely blown out of proportion.  When you actually meet these people you realize that they aren't the Gestapo, just normal people doing a job. 
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Points: 1695 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2006 at 13:11
Originally posted by NetsNJFan NetsNJFan wrote:

^ Yea I agree the intelligence agencies need more broad powers.  I was outraged by the NSA phone scandal, until I realized what it actually was, and how it was completely blown out of proportion.  When you actually meet these people you realize that they aren't the Gestapo, just normal people doing a job. 

From what I've heard so far it was phone tapping that initially nailed those assholes in Canada. But I maybe wrong.
    
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Points: 3525 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 10 2006 at 05:10
Originally posted by NetsNJFan NetsNJFan wrote:

^ Yea I agree the intelligence agencies need more broad powers.  I was outraged by the NSA phone scandal, until I realized what it actually was, and how it was completely blown out of proportion.  When you actually meet these people you realize that they aren't the Gestapo, just normal people doing a job. 


To be totally objective, I'm sure most of the Gestapo were basically decent people doing their jobs as well. That's the problem. Once you start accepting this stuff, in tiny steps, it makes it easier for the situation to go too far. Nobody ever willingly settles for less power than they can get...

The thing I admire most about traditional Republicans/ Conservatives is how much emphasis they place on hands-off government and individualism. Whereas neocons seem to be okay with meddling, intrusion, and spending more tax money...uh, kinda like all those evil liberals. LOL
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