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NotAProghead
Special Collaborator Errors & Omissions Team Joined: October 22 2005 Location: Russia Status: Offline Points: 7865 |
Posted: April 04 2006 at 12:22 | |||
It's not offensive, it's only too large. |
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Fitzcarraldo
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 30 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1835 |
Posted: April 04 2006 at 12:27 | |||
Substance abuse should not be publicised in forum sigs though. Especially an over-the-counter drug that is abused by teenagers and can be dangerous: QUOTE In the early 1960’s dextromethorphan (DXM) replaced codeine as the primary active ingredient of cough suppressants on the market, in an attempt to bring down codeine dependency. Abuse of DXM became apparent as early as 1973, the over the counter cough medicines using DXM began making their medicines’ taste unpleasant as a way to discourage abuse. DXM is a hallucinogen most closely associated with ketamine and PCP. Unlike any other hallucinogen, DXM has different levels of effects, known as “plateaus” with different effects that range from the “drunk” and “stoned” feeling of the first plateau to complete body/mind disillusion and hallucination of the fourth plateau. The risks of injury or death from DXM raise with the levels of usage, making DXM a very dangerous drug. The risks
The signs
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Fitzcarraldo
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 30 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1835 |
Posted: April 04 2006 at 12:30 | |||
Not in the slightest, as far as I'm concerned.
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Trickster F.
Prog Reviewer Joined: February 10 2006 Location: Belize Status: Offline Points: 5308 |
Posted: April 04 2006 at 13:30 | |||
Okay, I just got rid of it. -- Ivan |
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Vompatti
Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: October 22 2005 Location: elsewhere Status: Offline Points: 67407 |
Posted: April 04 2006 at 13:31 | |||
I was wondering, doesn't this thread offend drug users and satanists?
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Ivan_Melgar_M
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19535 |
Posted: April 04 2006 at 13:34 | |||
There's one thing, I f I posted something like JESUS LOVES YOU JOHN 3:16 LONG LIVE TO THE POPE BENEDICTUS XVI Someyting I would never do because I'm against music as propaganda for religious beliefs, something that I wrote ad nauseam even when it was about Christian messages. Biut I'm sure the next day many Atheists or other religious persons from different beliefs will ask me too remove it with reason, because Religious Propaganda is for the Church. Why doesn't something that is not only a pseudo religious believe but a symbol of everything against the religious beliefs of many members is admitted? I abslolutely respect any confession or religion, but unti today I never read propaganda from Catholics, Christians, Moslems, Jewish or Buddhists. If we all respect others, why shouldn't we ask for the same respect? I remember when John Päul II dies an a$$hole said "Thanks that moth**r Fuc**r died". I said nothing, but people like Threefaytes with whom I was not vetry close befoire this sent me a message of support as many others members (except from the one I expeccted more), but I said nothing in the Forum. But I believe if we should not make propaganda about our religion, people shouldn't do it about anti Religion as in this case (Not talking about Atheism which I respect a lot even when I disagree). Iván BTW Ivanfr0st, I found your signatuire hilarious, not offensive at all. Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M |
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Empathy
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 30 2005 Status: Offline Points: 1864 |
Posted: April 04 2006 at 14:21 | |||
This wouldn't bother me in the slightest either. It's a slippery slope between political correctness and censorship, IMO. In the end, it's just words, images and ideas. About the "substance abuse" issue... to play "devil's advocate" (sorry Ivan) ... to Snow Dog's point, where do we draw the line? Some substances are legal in some countries, and not in others. I noticed the thread of the Danish cartoon images of Mohammed some months ago were also removed, I would object to this as well. I understand the concern was primarily about violent repercussions, but in an age with increasing censorship (at least in my country) driven largely by religous fundamentalism, it appears we're easily cowed into submission these days. I don't believe in any inherent right of protection from being offended. Just my $.02. |
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Drew
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 20 2005 Location: California Status: Offline Points: 12600 |
Posted: April 04 2006 at 14:23 | |||
Thanks Ivan
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TheProgtologist
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: May 23 2005 Location: Baltimore,Md US Status: Offline Points: 27802 |
Posted: April 04 2006 at 16:51 | |||
Before you all go jumping to conclusions(which I did myself),how do you know DMX doesn't stand for this:
http://www.dmxmusic.com/ |
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Ivan_Melgar_M
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19535 |
Posted: April 04 2006 at 17:00 | |||
Progtologist: Probably he refers to that musical site, I checked it and found many POSSIBLE references, so that's the reason why I didn't mentioned it before this post. But Satan is Satan, here and in China Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M |
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Tristan Mulders
Prog Reviewer Joined: September 28 2004 Status: Offline Points: 1723 |
Posted: April 04 2006 at 17:25 | |||
I cannot consider it is a offensive signature actually. What do you think about most covers of metal album than? Quite a few of those are demonic/satanic, would you like to see those removed from signatures as well? I agree that if it is deliberatly insulting to groups by writing things that are hurting people than it should be removed but this banner does not.
Did you know that satanic cults actually were from origin not devil worshippers btw [wantstohavesomethingtosaymode off] |
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TheProgtologist
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: May 23 2005 Location: Baltimore,Md US Status: Offline Points: 27802 |
Posted: April 04 2006 at 17:44 | |||
Well,I am a Christian and I am not going to debate if religious symbolism should be allowed on this site.
But I also was raised in a country where everyone is free to practice whatever religion they choose,and are free from prosecution because of it. |
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Ivan_Melgar_M
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19535 |
Posted: April 04 2006 at 17:45 | |||
Sorry not offending, only an example which I hate as much as any normal human being: Tristan Mulders: And what if any member changes his signature to: Image deleted by Iván eveb when nobody asked for it, the point was made and that is enough Would you find it offensive enough??????? Iván Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M |
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Snow Dog
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 23 2005 Location: Caerdydd Status: Offline Points: 32995 |
Posted: April 04 2006 at 18:53 | |||
^Trust a lawyer to go to ridiculous extremes, just to prove his point. And here ends tha case for the prosecution, M'lud! |
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The Wizard
Prog Reviewer Joined: July 18 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 7341 |
Posted: April 04 2006 at 19:17 | |||
It's just words and a picture. If the satanic symbol offends you, don't join the religon. It's as simple as that. As far as the drug reference goes, If you make that go then make any reference to drugs in the forum forrbidden. I'll tell you right now there have been drug realted threads/post but they were allowed to stay. You have to keep it the same for the entire site. |
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Empathy
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 30 2005 Status: Offline Points: 1864 |
Posted: April 04 2006 at 20:33 | |||
Likely without even realizing it, you've just bolstered my point. That is quite obviously a Nazi flag, which has understandably gained much power as an icon of evil. The swastika, as a symbol, however, existed LONG before Adolf Hitler. Symbols are powerful tools, but they must be combined with an ideology in order to be fully effective. I don't see anything in that signature that openly attempts to spread a particular ideology. Here's what truly bothers me. Has anyone actually PM'ed or otherwise contacted DeepPhreeze to ASK him what the signature means to him? Or were the Thought Police immediately invoked? This is my issue with "political correctness"... if any personal conviction or message that could _potentially_ offend is banned, what of any importance is left to say? Certainly, the easy solution is to ban any direct religious or philosophical discussion from this forum (and that's what I suspect will continue to be the solution), but is that the right decision? I say no. |
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Ivan_Melgar_M
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19535 |
Posted: April 04 2006 at 20:45 | |||
Snow Dog wrote:
Why is it ridiculous extreme? For me the Satanic symbol is offensive to my beliefs, as I know that my faith can be offensive to other people, I NEVER made propaganda or missionary work here, I ask the same kind of respect. If you use Tristan arguments: Tristan Mulders wrote
Now other comments: The Progtologist wrote:
Now the next comment: The Wizard wrote:
Guys, i'm not a fanatic or a Fundamentalist, I'm the same guy who wrote that the Confessional Kansas music was wrong and that I don't agree with albums as Testimony that use music as vehicle to convince people of a religion. But in the same way i wil criticize any attack against Catholicism, Christianity, Judaism, Moslems or any other religion, including theism, even if I don't agree. And still I believe, this signature is at least a provocation. Iván Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M |
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Empathy
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 30 2005 Status: Offline Points: 1864 |
Posted: April 04 2006 at 20:58 | |||
And still I believe, this signature is at least a provocation. Iván We at least agree that it's sparked a provocative discussion! |
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Ivan_Melgar_M
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19535 |
Posted: April 04 2006 at 21:08 | |||
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TheProgtologist
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: May 23 2005 Location: Baltimore,Md US Status: Offline Points: 27802 |
Posted: April 04 2006 at 21:11 | |||
Ivan...in this country we are free to worship as we choose,but we do have a seperation of church and state,and I hope you are familiar with that concept.
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