Genesis fans up to their tricks again!

Progger wrote: My response is quite simple. Even YES or ELP at their worse is far better than Genesis at their worst! Big Generator has great tracks  like 'Shoot High....' 'Final Eyes' 'Big Generator'. Love Beach has 'Canario'...ect. So I can excuse Yes and ELP fanboys if they want to rate those albums highly but Genesis at their worst......no way! Giving FGTR *****'s is just someone taking the piss!!!!!!

I suggest you to learn to accept others' opinions, which is why this site exists. It is naive to suspect that whenever a person disagrees with your opinion he is being corrupt. It is also rather biased, from my point of view, to close your eyes when a group's *worst* album gets 5 stars and just find a single album out of a thousand more just because you disagree with someone's opinion.

 -- Ivan

We are talking here about tastes not about behavior or philosophy. Would you change your mind if you discovered that Milosevic was a Yes fan?

For tastes, to accept others' preferences does not mean to adopt their preferences or to change our own.

Progger wrote:

My response is quite simple. Even YES or ELP at their worse is far better than Genesis at their worst! Big Generator has great tracks  like 'Shoot High....' 'Final Eyes' 'Big Generator'. Love Beach has 'Canario'...ect. So I can excuse Yes and ELP fanboys if they want to rate those albums highly but Genesis at their worst......no way! Giving FGTR *****'s is just someone taking the piss!!!!!!

Who said written words doon't reveal your emotional state? When you get nervous you start to write in high case.

Cool down man, your heart will thank you.

One man's garbage is other man's treasure, I know a lot of people who think Grease and Saturday Night Fever were the musical icons of a decade, still TV Stations show those (IMO) aberrations every day. Who am I to tell they "Hey guys you're morons, that's not music", it's their taste and I must respect it, even if listening a minute of one of those albums gives me urthicaria.

Now, FGTTR is not a masterpiece, but it's a good effort for a bunch of kids, the melody is pretty decent plus Tony Bank's piano is outstanding. If you add that Peter's voice sounds wonderful, you got at least 3 stars.

Maybe (and I repeat MAYBE) Gig Generator is better than the worst Genesis albums...But does it deserve in your opinion 5 stars??????

Yes, Love Beach has Canario (A song ythat I like very much), but do you believe a four minutes track makes this aberration (recognized even by their most stubborn fans) worthy of a 5 stars rating??????

You clearly say you're ready to excuse Yes and ELP fanboys, what implies that Genesis fanboys don't deserve any mercy, they must burn in hell listening Big Generator and Love Beach Muzak version 24 hours a day.  

Answer me if those albums deserve 5, 4 or even 3 stars, ore  you always ready to forgive them (As oif they would care about it. ).

This is not objective, and believe me, you're not even a fanboy, you're a hateboy, your purpose in life is to destroy the image of Genesis, and belive me, this is not healthy, the frustration you will suffer  when you convince yourself it's impossible may cause you problems.

Iván

EDIT: No, -Ivanfr0st is not me, we share partially the name, because in Spanish we place accents. He's Ivan and I'm Iván (With accent in the a). I believe his name is pronounced Ívan  (With emphasis in the I) and my name is Iván (with emphasis in the a) the difference is that in Spanish we use visual accents.

Cool name Ivan

Kotro wrote: Yes, ELP, Genesis... Remember this? http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=18211& amp; amp;KW=yes+fans+vs%2E+genesis You can fight all you want... None of those bands will ever be a match for Pink Floyd...

No fight man, at least not from me, I couldn't answer with more tranquility, and I love Yes also, not in my top 5, but I believe they were also Icons of Prog.

And about Pink Floyd, you're absolutely entitled to your opinion, as a fact I see a lot of similarities between Gilmour and Hackett guitar style, both are the most atmospheric of the market.

Iván

ivansfr0st wrote: Well, actually the emphasis in my name is on the 'a', since I come from a Russian/Ukrainian background. However, the first 'I' is pronounced like the English letter 'E'(like the 'i' in the word "grin"). I am not sure but I think that means we share the same name, just spelt differently. Nice name Ivan.  -- Ivan

Yeah, it's the same name, only with an explicit accent in my case.

The Slavic name that coes from the Czech Republic is with emphasis in the I, being you from Latvia it was logical that your name followed the Russian - Ukranian pronuntiation.

Iván

BTW: Please one question, How in hell do you manage to use bold font in your reviews? I tried using the frequent ASCI code but it doesn't work.

BTW: Nice review about SIGH, I don't like the genre very much, but I'm tempted to listen the album.

ivan_2068 wrote: ivansfr0st wrote: Well, actually the emphasis in my name is on the 'a', since I come from a Russian/Ukrainian background. However, the first 'I' is pronounced like the English letter 'E'(like the 'i' in the word "grin"). I am not sure but I think that means we share the same name, just spelt differently. Nice name Ivan.  -- Ivan Yeah, it's the same name, only with an explicit accent in my case. The Slavic name that coes from the Czech Republic is with emphasis in the I, being you from Latvia it was logical that your name followed the Russian - Ukranian pronuntiation. Iván BTW: Please one question, How in hell do you manage to use bold font in your reviews? I tried using the frequent ASCI code but it doesn't work. BTW: Nice review about SIGH, I don't like the genre very much, but I'm tempted to listen the album.

Strange, I didn't expect to get anyone interested so quickly, especially the old-school proggers. Well, that's nice! The codes in reviews go like this: <b> and </b> = and, <i> and </i> = and, <u> and </u> = and. <p> also adds a space. Actually, I am surprised you are asking me, I mean, how many times more reviews have you written?

I was serious about the Sigh being recommended to fans of 70's style symphonic prog because of the total keyboard domination throughout the album. I'm not sure you'd like the vocals though, they're rather cheesy.

 -- Ivan

Ivan,

Even reading those posts don't make sound a Genesis hater, just being rational!

Progger wrote: Giving FGTR *****'s is just someone taking the piss!!!!!!

No what is taking the p*** is that this gentleman
Progger
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and this person:

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both post from the same PC.

Compare and contrast:

I think Progger has a point in this case. To give FGTR *****'s is a bit OTT to say the least   

from Raindance

with:

Giving FGTR *****'s is just someone taking the piss

from Progger

now if Mr Tales would just show up too we'd have the whole menage-a-trois!