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I think this response nailed it on the head. I've curtailed purchasing CDs from Europe because the shipping costs are sometimes more than the price of the CD (mainly from Italy at this time). Japanese imports are also off limits for me because the CD and the shipping are both very high. Living in the U.S., the best option for me at this time is if one of the local retailers (like LaserCD, Wayside, Doug Larson Imports, progwalker on Discogs) can get their hands on some of these imports. 
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I have, for almost 50 years been very critical of the nature of the distribution of many of these things. As you say, I have not bought anything from Japan, because the price is ridiculous. I am also, having issues with buying stuff from Europe, since my bank (25 years +) locks up the card each time a purchase is made with the English Pound or the European Euro ... which leaves me with Amazon for the most part, and Bandcamp won't fix a lot of its security issues ... Bandcamp has a very bad rating in security in many places, and their ability to accept different currencies, in what is ... a WORLD MARKET. You would think they would learn that, but as many bands as they show, they don't care ... I can't buy anything from Italy or Spain via Bandcamp.

I don't have an answer, and even the IMPORTS that we bought at Moby Disk, and the Tower on the Strip, were already the select few that got that far with the LP ... and the price was sometimes a problem, but I was NEVER going to worry about Tangerine Dream or Klaus Schulze ... period! Arena or Dream Theater, I would have passed.
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Bandcamp has a very bad rating in security in many places, and their ability to accept different currencies, in what is ... a WORLD MARKET. You would think they would learn that, but as many bands as they show, they don't care ... I can't buy anything from Italy or Spain via Bandcamp.


You can pay via PayPal on Bandcamp - does that not accept all currencies? Why would Italy and Spain be different to other Euro countries?
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Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

I've curtailed purchasing CDs from Europe because the shipping costs are sometimes more than the price of the CD (mainly from Italy at this time).

Italy are terrible for international shipping, on anything!!!!.   I wanted to buy a playstation 2 video game from them once, and they wanted to charge me £20 (might have been 30 or 40 actually) just for fricken postage and packaging, when im also from europe aswell.   Germany are pretty good for international shipping, ive bought CD's several times from vendors from there.  The label Nuclear Blast are based in Germany, and they seem to charge reasonable prices for international orders.


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Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

I'm not going to comment on Moshkito's entire post "Honestly, vinyl is over and gone".....someone has been sleeping under a rock since 2010 LOL. 
Other than to say if you do a simple Google search on LP price in 1975 say, it was about 5.99-7.99. Even I remember in the late 70s paying no more than 8.99, I don't think I ever remember seeing a $15 record.
Those prices using an inflation calculator (US$) is 5.99 = 33.15, 7.99 = 44.21. There are different calculators you can use and this one seems to be on the higher end. I buy a lot of LPs both new and used, new ones run $25-$30 for single and $35-40 for dbls. And of course deluxe editions, box sets and special releases have their own prices.
CDs have tended to hold price in that $15-20 range it seems, but hell back in mid 80s CDs were very expensive, $12-13 I remember, considering $13 is about $36 today.

Bottom line is the price of all stuff has increased due to the current inflation and the past 2 years due to Covid and supply chain issues. The LP took a big hit when that lacquer plant in California burned down, one of only a handfull that produce lacquers, needed to press LPs, and then Covid with a massive demand since everyone was home not working in office and listening to records all day long.

Simple supply and demand. Regarding Arena's price, that does seem on the higher end for a record, part of it may be that they only plan to press a small run so their mfg costs are much higher.

I think this response nailed it on the head. I've curtailed purchasing CDs from Europe because the shipping costs are sometimes more than the price of the CD (mainly from Italy at this time). Japanese imports are also off limits for me because the CD and the shipping are both very high. Living in the U.S., the best option for me at this time is if one of the local retailers (like LaserCD, Wayside, Doug Larson Imports, progwalker on Discogs) can get their hands on some of these imports. This means it's mostly a waiting game for me. Sometimes, in the end, I'm forced to buy a download even though I like to have the physical product.
Yuppers....I was buying a ton of records from Burning Shed, KScope and band sites across the pond....Have not bought from them in almost 3 yrs. I bought mainly from Marillion website, the last album was gonna cost me about $70, $35 was shipping. So I waiting for US stores to get it, bought it from The InGroove in Phoenix for $35. LaserCD is pretty much my go to for overseas records, I just wait for him to get them or post a prebuy.
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It is that damn Brexit.


Everything is so expensive from the UK. Actually I contacted Arena to ask them why a 2CD media book costs 65£ without shipping.

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Originally posted by progbethyname progbethyname wrote:

It is that damn Brexit.


Everything is so expensive from the UK. Actually I contacted Arena to ask them why a 2CD media book costs 65£ without shipping.


Ouch!!Ouch
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Regarding the very high prices for used vinyl today, I have my doubts whether it's good for the sale of vinyl in the long run.
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I apologise on behalf of my nation for the damage caused by Brexit☹️

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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:


Regarding the very high prices for used vinyl today, I have my doubts whether it's good for the sale of vinyl in the long run.

Hi,

That's what the record companies said 60 years ago ... and guess what? It was the bootlegs and FM Radio that gave us the freshness of the "new music" at the time.

Used LP's make up about a quarter to a fifth of my LP collection which was at 3K at one time. The only thing that hurt, was ... availability of the material that you wanted to find ... and it took looking in a very large place (Rasputin in Berkeley and Millenium in Portland -- for example) to find two or three things that you are taking home.

In the end, it is not the re-sale of the LP, or CD, that is important ... it's the livelihood of the music itself, and I can remember the days when the used bins had 50 Elton John albums, and the Rolling Stones had 40 albums, but you were hard pressed to find other things ... and btw, guess what? The majority of folks DUMPING THE LP'S WERE THE RADIO STATIONS ... not the users ... so at least make sure you know where the decision to make some money came from the the first place ... and it wasn't you and I since we were into the music!

Remember that!

PS: Even more hypocritical is how everyone ignores one band that allowed people to record their shows and even offered it from their boards, so people could get better recordings. And their market is STILL massive ... but we're not honest enough to discuss these things except support a model of ripping off the artist, when the bigger rip off is not the artist, but by the record company! Let's talk Grateful Dead when you grow up!


Edited by moshkito - January 13 2023 at 05:51
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:


Regarding the very high prices for used vinyl today, I have my doubts whether it's good for the sale of vinyl in the long run.
Not sure what you mean.......I pay $20 for a used record because it is a first press, and or it is the version to have from a sound quality perspective. Any reissues may have been mastered from a digital copy, which is usually krapp. There are many examples of used records costing a lot due to desire and fact that may not have ever been issued again, or simply they are extremely popular.

You want a first UK press of DSOtM A2/B2 lacquers?? Yea that'll run you about $2-3K........but you can still buy the 2016 remaster by Bernie Grundman for $30, so the used prices have not affected the new issues.
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Originally posted by essexboyinwales essexboyinwales wrote:

I apologise on behalf of my nation for the damage caused by Brexit☹️

Still angry….

Me too.

I remember a spotty Welsh Youth being interviewed the day afterwards about his reasons for voting Leave, saying he couldn't think of any reasons why we'd want to stay.

The good old Beeb had placed him hear a road sign for the new 'Heads of the Valleys' road widening scheme, which had been made possible by the £250 million match funding from the EU...  LOL
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Now seems to be available to stream on Amazon music and auto rip available if you purchase the CD. I've purchased the MP3 off I-Tunes for £7.99 which seems reasonable.
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Originally posted by essexboyinwales essexboyinwales wrote:

I apologise on behalf of my nation for the damage caused by Brexit☹️

Still angry….


The thing is to is that I love buying music from the UK.
There are things I can get that I can’t get my country.
I understand politics are out of the many hands for decisions made. It shouldn’t be, but it is.

Certainly you do not need to apologize kind sir.
As a Canadian we certainly have our own problems, especially with inflation.

Everyone needs to apologize at this point. Lol. Yup. That is what I want. A global world leader apology and re-inverse inflation

We can all dream.

Anyway. I’m hoping the UK label on Cherry Red Records lowers the pre order price for The Alan Parsons Project “Turn of a Friendly Card” deluxe edition!!

God. I want that so bad. It would cost 120$ CAN to me. 69.99£ right now.

Leaves me black and blue, but that blu ray audio I want so bad. At some point I feel I’ll give in and buy it but I don’t want to add to the problem. Lol.
Gimmie my headphones now!!! 🎧🤣
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