Crossover Prog vs. Progressive Pop

I'd argue that not everything's been done! But a lot has been... 

Thanks! That is super interesting. I would think Progressive Rock would divide into Crossover and Eclectic and Art Rock would be more of a separate thing, combining Prog with Pop, but keeping a lot of the progressive elements. Art Rock almost being like Progressive Rock for the masses, but still retaining the element of counterculture and artistic value. I guess like Prog, but less of the uncommon time signatures, long movements, and "weird" elements. 

IndianaParkWars wrote: Thanks! That is super interesting. I would think Progressive Rock would divide into Crossover and Eclectic and Art Rock would be more of a separate thing, combining Prog with Pop, but keeping a lot of the progressive elements. Art Rock almost being like Progressive Rock for the masses, but still retaining the element of counterculture and artistic value. I guess like Prog, but less of the uncommon time signatures, long movements, and "weird" elements.

Thats understandable, I was just letting you know how that genre came to be during the construction of this site. The Art Rock section was too big, so it got split into Crossover and Eclectic.

From my understanding, Progressive Rock would fall under the very large umbrella of Art Rock. It makes sense that the term was retired here. It's like squares and rectangles. All squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares. So I've heard some bands, like Supertramp or Radiohead, called Art Rock bands. But not everyone would consider them "Prog" (though certainly Progressive in context). Either way, after investigating a definition of Art Rock, one would probably find it indicates that Prog groups would fit within that description (at least, the Rock groups would).

You're my kind of guy! I adore the tedium of classifying different genres and styles. I completely agree with you on crossover. I think you hit the nail on the head. The difference would be the appeal. Eclectic doesn't appeal to mass audiences. Crossover does. That's exactly where I was going with the differentiation!

Frenetic Zetetic wrote: It appears these forums indirectly agree that labels are needed for newcomers, but after a certain point of experience, you start seeing how the genres/sub-genres break down and kind of just blend. Of course there are going to be clear-cut delineation between certain styles, but honestly the more prog you listen to the more you start to realize it really is all just magic, labeled for sorting, filing, and location convenience.

I have a separate rack or shelf for each genre of music in my CD collection and so far I have 25 racks/shelves of music.

Edited by Psychedelic Paul - January 15 2021 at 03:02

Catcher10 wrote: Frenetic Zetetic wrote: It appears these forums indirectly agree that labels are needed for newcomers, but after a certain point of experience, you start seeing how the genres/sub-genres break down and kind of just blend. Of course there are going to be clear-cut delineation between certain styles, but honestly the more prog you listen to the more you start to realize it really is all just magic, labeled for sorting, filing, and location convenience. I catalog all my music under a label called MUSIC.

Me too.

Psychedelic Paul wrote: I have a separate rack or shelf for each genre of music in my CD collection and so far I have 25 racks/shelves of music.

Psychedelic Paul wrote: IndianaParkWars wrote: Oooh. I'd love to hear how you organize these! What are your different shelves? Okay, here goes with another list.   Alternative Rock/Indie Rock Box Sets Classical Crossover Country Dance Music Disco Easy Listening Electronica Folk Hard Rock Heavy Metal/Symphonic Metal Indie Pop Jazz-Funk/Smooth Jazz New Age Pop/Rock (2 racks) Prog Rock Psychedelic Pop Psychedelic Rock Sophisti-Pop Soul/Motown Soundtracks Synth Pop Various Artists Compilations Vocal: Female Vocal: Male