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The Anders ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 02 2019 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 3535 |
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Yep, now the both work beautifully (much easier on the eyes when reading than looking at PA's pages too).
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Snicolette ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 02 2018 Location: OR Status: Offline Points: 6048 |
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Love this topic....I know a LOT of protest songs (and folk songs too), but decided on these two to bring forward first, with the out of competition one being third, as I couldn't find a recording of my favourite version of it.
Edited to follow the rules better..... There will now be links to lyrics! And my third out of competition song will follow this post. The first is from Tom Rapp's (Pearls Before Swine) "Stardancer," LP (under Prog Folk in PA, with just 7 reviews), released in 1972. Here, instead of his more gentle side, he sings in a snarl. This one is fairly self-explanatory. Link to Lyrics: https://www.antiwarsongs.org/canzone.php?lang=en&id=3509 The second is by Cheryl Wheeler, who you've also heard before. This one is from 1997, after the Jonesboro school shooting and although it seems to be suggesting to get rid of all guns, that was not her purpose, as the song was about her asking herself what children would be so angry about...and perhaps the answer is to keep guns away from unsupervised children. Her label at the time, Rounder Records, donated $5 per airplay on a AAA radio station to the Center for the Prevention of Handgun Violence. Link to Lyrics: http://cherylwheeler.com/songs/iiwutm.html Edited by Snicolette - January 04 2021 at 12:40 |
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Snicolette ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 02 2018 Location: OR Status: Offline Points: 6048 |
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As Lorenzo said, we could add a third, out of competition piece. This one is by Charlie King, from 1979. It is about the 1957 Yucca Flats Big Smokey Atomic Test about a young army corporal who was there, on orders from the government. There is much more to this story, he ended up with cancer and was initially denied assistance from the Veteran's Administration, although they eventually did approve it, yet never admitted it's likelihood from having been at that test. Link to Lyrics: https://www.antiwarsongs.org/canzone.php?lang=en&id=12843
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jamesbaldwin ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: September 25 2015 Location: Milano Status: Offline Points: 6052 |
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Out of competition:
GANG: La Pianura dei Sette Fratelli. In my opinion, this is the most beautiful Italian song about partisans. It tells the story of the seven Cervi brothers, farmers, who became partisans and fought against Nazi-fascism. They were taken prisoner by the fascists together with their father Alcide, and shot. The father, years later, got help and managed to write a little novel about them. In the Italian Novels thread (General discussion) I have included this novel among my favorites. The Cervi brothers had been educated in Catholicism, and only two of them broke away to become Communists, involving the others in the war on fascism. They all lived together in a large farmhouse in the Po Valley, together with their wives and children (in total about thirty) and were among the first Italian families to own a tractor and level the fields by studying an innovative irrigation system. They had faith in scientific progress, despite being semi-illiterate. Now their old farmhouse has become a museum of the Italian resistance. The video shows the Cervi's family. Lyrics (translation) Earth and Water and Wind there was no time for fear Born under the star, the most beautiful one on the plain They had a scythe and large peasant hands And before sleeping, the prayer: "Our Father, Who Are in Heaven" as when we were children Seven sons, seven of bread and honey, who do I give them to? Seven as the notes I will sing a song to them. And Rain and Snow and Frost and fairy tale and fire with wine And thoughts go away along with the smoke up the chimney They had a barn and the pace of those who can dance Of those who take his love of him for life and know how to carry it Seven brothers seven of bread and honey, who do I give them to? I will not give them to the war to the black man I will not give them. Cloud Lightning and Thunder there is no forgiveness for that night that the fascists came and took them away with kicks and blows They had a greeting and hugs the strongest one They had the look of one who goes to meet fate Seven children seven seven brothers, who do I give them to? The Plain told us these sons of mine I will never forget them Seven men seven wounds and seven furrows The plain told us Alcide's sons never died In that plain from Valle Re to Campi Rossi We spent a day there and in the middle of the fog We found ourselves moved. Edited by jamesbaldwin - January 05 2021 at 15:54 |
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Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion.
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Shadowyzard ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: February 24 2020 Location: Davutlar Status: Offline Points: 4506 |
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I'll participate with 2 metal songs. From the famous (or notorious) Iron Maiden frontman Bruce Dickinson's second solo album Balls to Picasso.
The song right below protests wars, and attacks "warlords". Here's my favourite part of its lyrics: Investing your money in guns The infinite fun Of the warlord you saved From the rusty grave Bruce Dickinson - Gods of War My second contribution protests lots of things, LoL. I guess mainly humanity in general and the USA. Here's a part of its lyrics: People die with oxygen And all their money can't afford a breath People starving everywhere And staring in the face of death Prostitutes and politicians Lying in their bed together You can be the savior of the poor Making up the policies to open up the back door... You can get all the things you never needed You can sell people crap and make them eat it "Where is our John Wayne? Where's our sacred cowboys now? Where are the Indians on the hill? There's no Indians left to kill. Bruce Dickinson - Sacred Cowboys: Edited by Shadowyzard - January 04 2021 at 15:16 |
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The Anders ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 02 2019 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 3535 |
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Les Anarchistes (featuring Petra Magoni): The Ballad of Sacco & Vanzetti This is a rather gloomy track. The structure is also rather proggy with an irregular rhythmic base. My favourite part is probably the strings which have an uncanny and hypnotic quality about them. Lyrically it is perhaps a bit too direct for my taste, but it also feels very honest. It's not a type of music I would normally listen to, but it's absolutely not uninteresting. I think it requires some more listens. Pishkù Li is more electronic, but equally gloomy. It's an interesting vocal performance in a genre I admit I am not very familiar with. It's not necessarily pleasant to listen to, but obviously it is not meant to be pleasant, especially as the background of the song is very grim. A sort of expressionism if you like. If I understand it right, he repeats the same line throughout the song. Tim Finn and Herbs - Parihaka is in a much lighter mood,
at least musically - the subject is still very grim. Judging by the
sound production, it must be recorded some time in the 80's (gated drums
among other things). Since I am not at all familiar with Maori music,
the music mostly sounds reggae and African influenced to me.
Brecht/Esiler -
Solidaritätslied. I've always admired both Hanns Eisler and Kurt
Weill, so this is very much up my alley. Songs like this, along with for
instance the "Einheitsfrontlied", are the proof that political "battle
songs" don't necessarily have to be musically banal (the latter, for
instance, has a pretty striking tritonus interval in the chorus melody).
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Parihaka was only just ‘80s (1989). I completely agree with you about French Letter being too feel-good. It’s never sat well with me, and I could easily have chosen something far more potent, and something I far more enjoy. But I liked the idea of including it, even though I don’t really like it, because it (and to a certain degree, though not as dramatically so, Parihaka) typify the non-violent rebellion and protest that Māori have often preferred to use. How do you portray non-violent protest in a song? By making it as light-hearted and upbeat as possible. I figured it would be a point of difference in what otherwise could be a far more grim selection. I definitely don’t expect it to gain any votes! 😄 |
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The Ballad of Sacco & Vanzetti is a song taken from the soundtrack "Sacco e Vanzetti", directed by Giuliano Montaldo, music composed by Ennio Morricone. The original song is sung by Joan Baez, who wrote the lyrics. Pishkù Li is written by Les Anarchiestes but is sung by Moni Ovadia, a theater director and actor, who sings Yiddish songs in his shows. He wrote the screenplay for Radu Mihaileanu's "Train de Vie" film. And yes, he repeats always the same phrase in hebrew from the beginning to the end. |
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Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion.
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Thought you might like this... I was actually hesitating between these two, but went with the first for the lyrics. BTW, if I were you, I would delete the pdfs with the translations once this poll is done: you can sue yourself for copyright infringement if you forgot to ask yourself permission regarding the translation, but the copyright of the translation just comes on top of the original copyright... Two videos didn't show up for me, so far, but I found these working alternatives: Mike: Bigelf - Money, It's Pure Evil: Nickie: Cheryl Wheeler - If It Were Up To Me: |
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Snicolette ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 02 2018 Location: OR Status: Offline Points: 6048 |
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Kees: I was originally going to post the music video that you posted as an alternate. The thing I didn't like about it is that the part with the girl screaming is not part of the song, and I thought it messed up the flow of the song, but other than that, if you imagine that screaming part removed, then you know how the real song sounds. I get so sick of some of the YouTube videos not working in some countries. It happens a lot. Thanks for posting these alternatives!
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This is my third posting and is my out of competition selection.
Jim James is one of my musical heroes, as I have mentioned before. I posted a few My Morning Jacket tracks last month. This particular track comes from another one of his projects called "Monsters of Folk" which consists of Jim James, M. Ward (from "She & Him") and Conor O'berst (from "Bright Eyes"). This song features James singing and songwriting. It is a protest song within a protest song. Overall, it is protesting other people or organizations telling you what to do and that you should follow your own conscience and not that of others. It seems to center on religion, but it is actually about life in general. Then it goes into some verses about a soldier that follows his call to war and the consequences that come from that decision. The lyrics are very deep and so is the song itself. Monsters of Folk - "His Master's Voice" The lyrics are in the video. |
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dr wu23 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 22 2010 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 20660 |
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One of my favorite social commentators and I'm sure most here know him and this song.....but it's simply great.
Now that there's no one left to vote for...and there's very rarely been...any voices of the people who were not of the machine...
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Snicolette ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 02 2018 Location: OR Status: Offline Points: 6048 |
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The Anders, your first video would not work for me, I got this one to listen, there are many live versions of this on YT as well:
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Lorenzo: Les Anarchistes – The Ballad of Sacco & Vanzetti and Pishku Li are both excellent choices with, as you say, some remarkable vocal performances. While I find the vocal styling of the 2nd entry very appropriate for the track, overall, I find your first entry more appealing to my taste. Great choices! The Out of Competition track is that no-nonsense, straight ahead style of Italian Folk. The lyrics are all that are needed here, though the violin, flute, etc. is a very nice touch which adds to the crying of the Tears of the Seven Brothers. Beautiful vocals here too, but then I am impartial to Italian vocals. Nick: The Herbs is the band for both of these tracks and each one has what I feel is an effective reggae style which makes the music appealing in order to reach the most listeners, and apparently this was the case with New Zealanders. I would lean a bit more to the 1st track which adds the clear vocals of Tim Finn, but both are effective protest songs. Kees: Ernst Busch delivers this song quite effectively and I’m glad you chose the soundtrack version as the instrumental introduction is a nice prelude to the song and the message. It’s also nice to hear something from that decade, as a lot of the pain has been forgotten from that time, and if we ignore it, it will come back to bite us in the end. Greg: You always seem to pick the hardest hitting and appropriate tracks that I have never heard. Redgum did a powerful song here that hits right to the core in a time when the world was trying to sell the war as something positive. The Shipbuilding song is also powerful, and I’m glad you used this version as I find the singers voice to be quite appealing. Anders: I always look forward to your tracks as you always seem to pick things that are different in a good way, and music that I would probably never be exposed to. Both tracks are perfect protest songs and convey their messages in not just the words, but in the delivery. Both of these tracks are definite contenders. Your translations are always very helpful and shed light on a language that I don’t understand, yet they end up being the perfect Rosetta Stone that is needed to understand. Nickie: Again, some excellent choices. These are the types of songs that I instantly think of when someone mentions “protest songs”. Tom Rapp once again seems to find his way in to whatever style he wants, and his delivery here is perfect with the “snarl” in his voice. I also enjoyed Cheryl Wheeler, who sends a message that is still relevant today. Even though her purpose is not to get rid of all guns as you say, it’s still a message that all need to hear and if they translate it that way, then maybe they need to feel a little uncomfortable with that meaning. The Charlie King track gives his no-nonsense style, where the words are the thing that everyone needs to concentrate on. The embellishments and etc. are not needed as the words are the most important thing for the world to hear. Ozgur: Welcome back, good to see you again. Bruce Dickinson’s distinctive voice has a way of delivering whatever lyrics he is singing. He’s powerful, melodic, yet commands your attention. “Gods of War” is the type of lyrics you’d expect him to sing about, but his message is important to say the least, and the metal vehicle he uses runs you over like a tank, plus the message gets across to the people that need it the most. The pen is mightier than the sword. Sacred Cowboys has a more forceful beat, faster with a almost rap-like verse and melodic chorus with the powerful guitar. Again, another great vehicle for the message he has. I think I prefer the 1st one over the 2nd mostly because of the blue-sier style, though the 2nd one has more of an Iron Maiden feel to it. Dr wu: Roy Harper is one of those artists that I meant to listen to more, but I never seem to for some reason, so I’m not that familiar with this track. I like his vocals that have a degree of vulnerability to them, a bit of a “crying” waver that I find appealing, especially in this style of music. The acoustic guitar and piano back him up perfectly, the strength of the guitar brings a lot of power to this song, and that seems to be the case in the music I’ve heard from him. The commentary on this track is perfect. Okay, so far everything is top rate here, so I have no idea who I will vote for yet. |
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Snicolette ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 02 2018 Location: OR Status: Offline Points: 6048 |
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As per usual, my first impressions of the submissions on Page One:
Lorenzo: Les
Anarchistes (featuring Petra Magoni): “The Ballad of Sacco & Vanzetti” Thank you for this idea of protest songs
(which in many ways, are mini history lessons), Lorenzo! This starts very prettily with synths and
drums, minor key. Here, of course, a
song about injustice and what an interesting collaboration of writers. The
female singer is unrestrained in anguish, as are the wrenching guitars as the
song gets to it’s center. The song ends
abruptly, perhaps mirroring the sudden death of execution of the immigrants,
who were quite possibly found guilty in error of murder. Les Anarchistes (featuring Moni Ovadia): “Pishkù
Li” Here we begin with quavering organ
notes and a mournful male singer, appropriately so, especially reading your
brief explanation of the song. The music
picks up pace a bit with quiet keyboards and tapping percussive sounds
underpinning the passionate singing. Nearing
the end, strings join in, always a wonderful choice to convey
emotionality. The piece ends with
fluttering keyboard sounds, fading out. Nick_h_nz: Tim Finn & Herbs “Parihaka” A reggae beat here, a protest song, yet a song of hope. Thinking about your thoughts of if it’s appropriate, of course it is, for exactly the reasons you state….and the more people work together from different cultures, the better, as far as I’m concerned. That being said, love the backing vocals and Tim Finn is very clearly understood. The melody is catching and brings a part of history that many don’t know to the fore (which is one of the objectives of protest pieces in the first place). Herbs “French Letter” Here another reggae sounding piece with some percussion proffering the beat. The singers in this band have wonderful voices….and I’m with them on the sentiment of the song as well. Suitkees: Hanns Eisler (music), Bertold Brecht (text), sung by Ernst Busch “Solidaritätslied (Solidarity Song) “ 30’s style music provides the backdrop for the lyrics here (as indeed it should be), the poem is presented in a way here that I could see protest marches with everyone singing them (as indeed it may have been). Could have been written about today in many respects. Logan: Redgum - "I Was Only 19" This begins with acoustic guitar in a very familiar setting for a protest song (which is not a criticism, I enjoy this kind of music very much). It is just heartbreaking, the toll the Vietnam war took on so many, this song details so much sadness and the lasting effects of war on those who go to it, both physical and psychological. Really nice double fiddles end up the song. Suede “Shipbuilding” Good, solid song with band quietly backing singer at the piano, with that age-old question, why on earth are we waging war and risking lives when there is so much beauty to be found in the world (diving for pearls). The Anders: Hoola Bandoola Band “Vem kan man lita på?” This one begins in a upbeat tone, straight-ahead rock, which is very sarcastic indeed, with the lyrics. A song of anti-war and anti-politicians, indeed anti-heroes too, with mentioning some very famous protesters in song and action in the lyrics…So funny how things stay the same, with this one from 1972, so also a bit prophetic. Indeed, whom can we trust? Tv-2 “Kom lad os brokke os (Come let us complain)” Another straight-ahead approach, with discussing apathy and the futility of enacting change (at least from my perspective of what they are saying). But one must try, or certainly nothing will! Again the wry sarcasm of the previous piece and a little nod to Sgt Pepper-style horns near the end, as everyone sings along at the end. Mike: Ben Harper “How Many Miles Must We March” Some more pretty straight-ahead music, backing clear vocals (I’ve heard of, but not heard much of Ben Harper, and not this). Discussing prejudice and how it begins and is continued by society. I think we must still march on quite a while, sadly. Bigelf “Money, It’s Pure Evil” Here is a more edgy rock sound, reminds me actually of ELO in a way, with the orchestral production. Nice crunchy lead guitar about halfway in, which then continues underneath….all about the evils of how money can change people, usually not for the better. |
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Snicolette ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 02 2018 Location: OR Status: Offline Points: 6048 |
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Thank you so much for your thoughtful takes on all of these, thus far. I am with you on so much of the material! Once again, very difficult choices will have to be made, and I'm only through with the first page as of yet. I am glad you enjoyed these, they are unflinching looks at things that are hard for many to look at, a thing that I greatly admire in writers of protest songs....Indeed, it's all in the words for this kind of material, and everyone so far has brought this right to the table.
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Shadowyzard ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: February 24 2020 Location: Davutlar Status: Offline Points: 4506 |
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Thanks man! I'm glad to be back here! This is a good take, and I agree wholeheartedly. I also like my first nomination better; because not only musically it is more impactful, but also its lyrics are more universal. Sacred Cowboys' chorus is a delight though. Edited by Shadowyzard - January 05 2021 at 14:39 |
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The Anders ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 02 2019 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 3535 |
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Thank you to TCat and Snicolette for the nice comments. As for the Tv-2 song, it is briefly paraphrasing "Lady Madonna" towards the end.
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