Why do I like King Crimson much less? |
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Catcher10
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It took me years to fully get King Crimson, I really started liking them only around 10yrs ago. Enough to start collecting all the vinyl, I always had In the Court but not the others.
They are now a regular spin for me.....but I have to say I did not try to get into them, it kinda just happened. There are many many bands I can't get into, and many I will never even try, I have enough music to keep me happy for the rest of my life, plus there is excellent new music to experience.
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Slartibartfast
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I have a theory. You ducked when they threw something at you. When it come to music for me at least it comes all down to time and timing. For me it was Larks' that first hit me. And within a couple of years Discipline came out and that really clicked with me. Speaking as a prog fan for over 41 years, you should never force yourself. There is so much good music out there prog, non-prog, not officially prog around here. Just enjoy yourself and may your hearing always serve you well into old age. So far so good for me.
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Lewian
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King Crimson are the archetypical intellectual band. Their anti-dance attitude says it all. Some of their stuff is intentionally cold and unfriendly, some is exploration and mapping rather than expression of feelings or connecting with the listener. I'm a big King Crimson fan but then I have this analytic intellectual side in me that wants to be fed. I also like "controlled aggression" of which they have a lot. Power to the point, with Discipline. I can totally understand why they leave some people cold, makes absolute sense. That said they have some very emotional stuff that they play when they think that you're not paying attention...
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ProgMetaller2112
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I'm an intellectual myself yet I don't dig them as much as other bands |
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ProgMetaller2112
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I don't dislike any of their albums I'm just not nuts for any if that makes any sense.
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rogerthat
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Exactly, I don't know how you can even generalise KC into one thing. It's not. And I don't know, if a rock/prog fan doesn't get One More Red Nightmare, you're just not trying hard enough (or maybe approaching it with too many preconceived notions). Just Bruford's work at the kit is worth the price of admission and that's without the beautiful saxophone solos.
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rogerthat
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I am not sure I would call their whole approach during the Wetton era analytical at all. The way they play on those albums is so much looser, so much more improvised than most other prog rock bands of their time, especially the big names. I think what they 'lack' is something big, bright and goofy (even silly) that many of their contemporaries had. Yes, ELP, GG all had a certain goofiness that came through in different degrees (the most for GG). This was less the case with Genesis/JT but they could also frequently explore silliness in the search for a funny moment. What KC really is is morose and dark. And unlike VDGG (or Fish Marillion for that matter), the vocals rarely have a strong character about them. Yes, I am saying that even the vocals Lake rendered on ITCOTCK are basically fit for purpose and don't transcend the music. Which is fine, in this case, because the music works so well. KC is a supposedly vocal oriented band where you have to shut off the vocals completely from your mind and focus on the music. This is no longer a problem for me but this may have been back when I too didn't really get them.
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Dellinger
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Once again the lack of feeling on King Crimson... I just don't buy it. Well, perhaps they do have a fair amount of mathematical sterility, but they also have some of the most emotional songs I can think of, prog or not. Of course, the best example of this is Epitaph, with those vocals from Lake that, well, I would find it hard to think of a more emotional vocal delivery anywhere. But besides, I can easily think of Prince Rupert Awakes / Bolero, Exiles, and Starless having some really beautiful emotional moments. |
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Dellinger
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I don't totally agree with that. There's a good amount of music I have come to love because I kept on listening to it even if at first I didn't get it, nor really liked it. But yet, there was something that would make me want to come back to it, to try it out again, until I really got to love it (and I don't really understand anymore what is it that I didn't get in the first place). Yet, I guess that's become more unlikely with time, having come to know more music and what I might come to like giving it a try and what just leaves me cold anyway. |
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I haven´t liked every artist from any genre. Although my favorite genres are psych, prog & post-punk, all those have artists I don´t like. Well, haven´t heard bad psych artist, but anyway there are also artists that I think greater than others.
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But, of course it has happened to me also, that I have started to love something I used to hate.
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richardh
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I must be a 'metal head' because Red and Power To Believe are my favourite KC albums! I do agree with your groupings though. Very interesting dissection.
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richardh
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I don't believe though that all great music is Art as such. Badly played music is just bad music. Well played music can be dull and have no artistic qualities. I would rather music is just thought of as music. Sometimes an Abba tune will hit the spot that 20 minutes of spectacularly written and played music just can't reach.
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So for you, Robert Fripp failed the Turing test?
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richardh
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that was the eighties though when no prog bands (inc those you mention) were releasing anything as good as their seventies stuff. I don't like eighties KC at all and not being a fan of Belew didn't help but at least they tried to carry on innovating. I don't have to like it and I don't! Generally I think their discography stands up against all the other top prog bands extremely well and the fact they don't have a We Can't Dance or Big Generator in their back catalogue is a massive plus imo.
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Blacksword
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Many folk used to say that about Rush. It's not true in the case of KC or Rush, IMO. KC have many emotionally charged songs; Starless, Islands, ITWOP, Epitaph, Fallen Angel, Matte Kudasai...etc.. It took me a long time to 'get' Crimson, but it wasn't a perceived lack of feeling in the music that put me off. It was something else, hard to articulate, and it wasn't a penny drop moment. It was a slow transition to liking them. Now, having also seen them live twice I love their music and isten regularly. I'm still 'waiting' to 'get' Gentle Giant. I can tolerate individual songs, and appreciate the musicianship, but their 'trademark' sound, I often find silly and irritating. |
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Please don't re-introduce the CAPTCHA's again . They are too much to bear in combination with those rancid straight-in-the-face ads that appear on almost every forum page and I can't stand Turing. Back to topic: I have different opinions about King Crimson. Back in the day when I was a teenager, King Crimson, as the only one of the Big Six, was no more than a distant name for me. Even now, I don't like every one of their albums equally, in my book they vary from two (SaBB) to five (Islands) stars. Edited by someone_else - December 28 2019 at 14:35 |
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The Dark Elf
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I stand by what I said. It's not a matter of "getting" KC, as I've listened to them since the early 70s. I own their catalog up to Red. I get them. The OP asked the question, "Why do I like King Crimson much less?" and from my standpoint it is their methodical nature. Fripp is either a mathematician who happens to play guitar or he is a high-functioning autistic. Neither is a deterrent to listening to them. I just happen to like them less the further one goes into their discography, as there seems to me an increasing sterility and lack of "warmth" for lack of a better term. Another poster brought up the fact Fripp has foregone using the acoustic guitar, so it would seem Fripp has made a conscious decision to disengage from what I liked most about their earliest albums. He also seems to have lost his funny bone altogether as well.
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You know what, that last point is very good. I like discipline, thrak and power to believe all well while still thinking they all have some flaws, but they certainly have never released a true stinker.
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