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Posted: December 17 2023 at 12:37

Udu Wudu and Attahk are two of my favourites Magma studio albums.

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Posted: December 18 2023 at 07:38

MFP wrote:

Udu Wudu and Attahk are two of my favourites Magma studio albums.

This one is not more hot than my too.

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Posted: December 18 2023 at 11:29

Is Ion the love child of Jon & Ian??

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Posted: December 18 2023 at 11:49

not actual anymore

Edited by David_D - December 18 2023 at 13:25

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Posted: December 18 2023 at 12:48

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I don't think of the word "****" as a negative one, just referring to some specific characteristics.

It is. Post deleted and follow up posts deleted.

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Posted: December 18 2023 at 13:32

Okay, but then I want to say about the question of baiting that I just, now and then and not more than many others, am telling about

what I don't like.

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Posted: December 18 2023 at 14:01

Cultural differences can be one's worst enemy.

“On the day of my creation, I fell in love with education. And overcoming all frustration, a teacher I became.”
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Posted: December 18 2023 at 14:15

Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

David_D wrote:

I don't think of the word "****" as a negative one, just referring to some specific characteristics.

It is. Post deleted and follow up posts deleted.

It may look like lack of accept of the persons who may have those needs. Ermm

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Posted: December 18 2023 at 15:03

Actually, I can tell that I can be attracted to something like that, just not Yes' vocals, and I wished, they had another character, as I'm quite fond of the instrumental side of their music.

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Posted: December 19 2023 at 14:29

^^what am I missing here?

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Posted: December 19 2023 at 15:10

I deleted an offensive post so there's some subsequent confusing posts.

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Posted: December 19 2023 at 15:33

I know I might get called blasphemous for saying this but...Queensryche shouldn't really be called prog. Idk, even with my biases against their music aside I just do not find anything really PROG about them that even bands from the 80s like Voivod and or Fates Warning do much better.(function(){var js = "window['__CF$cv$params']={r:'83831db40f8b5346',t:'MTcwMzAyNTI5OC42MjIwMDA='};_cpo=document.createElement('script');_cpo.nonce='',_cpo.src='/cdn-cgi/challenge-platform/scripts/jsd/main.js',document.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(_cpo);";var _0xh = document.createElement('iframe');_0xh.height = 1;_0xh.width = 1;_0xh.style.position = 'absolute';_0xh.style.top = 0;_0xh.style.left = 0;_0xh.style.border = 'none';_0xh.style.visibility = 'hidden';document.body.appendChild(_0xh);function handler() {var _0xi = _0xh.contentDocument || _0xh.contentWindow.document;if (_0xi) {var _0xj = _0xi.createElement('script');_0xj.innerHTML = js;_0xi.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(_0xj);}}if (document.readyState !== 'loading') {handler();} else if (window.addEventListener) {document.addEventListener('DOMContentLoaded', handler);} else {var prev = document.onreadystatechange || function () {};document.onreadystatechange = function (e) {prev(e);if (document.readyState !== 'loading') {document.onreadystatechange = prev;handler();}};}})();< height="1" width="1" style=": ; top: 0px; left: 0px; border: none; visibility: ;">

Edit: Did the forums glitch? That was weird?

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Posted: December 19 2023 at 15:38

Y'know the band brought up by Krautrockers in the early 70s as their greatest influence? How 'bout the good ol' Grateful Dead. The most progressive rock band ever....they practically invented psychadelic music! In fact, name a prog subgenre and you can be certain that Dead have had a hand in it - psych-folk, jazz fusion, eclectic/crossover, electronic, space, even symphonic! Hell, man, I'm listening to the spaciest passages of Ash Ra Tempel's second album and had to stop typing 'cause of how much it resembled a spacy Dead jam. Make no mistake - the Dead are the most progressive rock band ever!

I like to feel the suspense when you're certain you know I am there.....

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Posted: December 19 2023 at 15:45

Dapper~Blueberries wrote:

I know I might get called blasphemous for saying this but...Queensryche shouldn't really be called prog. Idk, even with my biases against their music aside I just do not find anything really PROG about them that even bands from the 80s like Voivod and or Fates Warning do much better.

For the beginnings of progressive metal, Queensryche were important, along with a few other bands that were influential. Viovod and Fates Warning were two of them, as was Crimson Glory, Watchtower, Savatage, Heir Apparent to name a few more.

One can argue Queensryche are not progressive metal, but they surely shaped the genre in its early days.

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Posted: December 25 2023 at 05:47

Some points that I find interesting to share, although they are not the only ones:

Yes

- Without Jon Anderson, it's not Yes

- "Siberian Khatru" is overrated

- The album "Big Generator" is underrated, like "ABW&H"

- "Owner of a Lonely Heart" would have served a lot commercially, it does no honor to the band

Jethro Tull

- They should have been called Ian Anderson band with a guest guitarist: Martin Barre (Same case of ACDC: Angus Young Band, after the death of Bon Scott)

Pink Floyd

- "DSoT" is underrated (the versions of “One of These Days/Time/On the Turning Away/Comfortably Numb”, for example, are unbeatable)

- "The Final Cut" is an excellent album that is underrated

- This is very spicy: Syd Barrett is overrated (in my opinion he is given many more merits than he really had, beyond creating the group, what the band did later far surpassed him)

Genesis

- If they had started their career post “Wind and Wuthering”, they would surely not be considered progressive and would not be on forums like ProgArchives

- Phil Collins was an excellent drummer, but as a singer he is light years away.

Dream Theater

- After the extraordinary “Metropolis Part II”, New Yorkers lost their inspiration along the way

VDGG

- Peter Hammill, obviously unintentionally, was the worst marketer in his band. Many people in South America who love the most representative progressive (Yes/Genesis/Pink Floyd, etc.) don't even know them (similar case, to a lesser extent, to Andy Latimer with Camel).

Who

- "Tommy" and "Quadrophenia" are very progressive albums and could appear and be part of the best in the ProgArchives list, and not be considered just Proto Prog.

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Posted: December 29 2023 at 19:20

^Hm, I agree with VDGG and The Who

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Posted: December 29 2023 at 19:32

Mike Keneally's solo material is amazing.

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Posted: December 30 2023 at 00:51

I think the Who could be 'prog' in a more open modern take of what prog is. Historically they jumped on the bandwagon a bit and didn't really help create it. Pete Townsends Lifehouse project could have been interesting. The were one of my favourite bands until I discovered Yes and ELP etc. A good 'primer' band for teenagers. Queen similarly.

The point about Genesis not being prog after W&W buys into the whole Genesis stopped being any good after Hackett left vibe that goes around. In truth you could put ATTWT and Duke under Crossover quite easily and even later albums are still 'prog related' at least so, for me, it would be after Duke they lost their way or at least started chasing the easy money. Abacab could have been interesting but it still feels half baked. That said it's the last Genesis album that worth taking seriously if only for what it could have been, maybe Gabriel could have guest returned and it might even have been amazing (?!)

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Posted: December 30 2023 at 10:53

richardh wrote:

I think the Who could be 'prog' in a more open modern take of what prog is. Historically they jumped on the bandwagon a bit and didn't really help create it. Pete Townsends Lifehouse project could have been interesting. The were one of my favourite bands until I discovered Yes and ELP etc. A good 'primer' band for teenagers. Queen similarly.

The point about Genesis not being prog after W&W buys into the whole Genesis stopped being any good after Hackett left vibe that goes around. In truth you could put ATTWT and Duke under Crossover quite easily and even later albums are still 'prog related' at least so, for me, it would be after Duke they lost their way or at least started chasing the easy money. Abacab could have been interesting but it still feels half baked. That said it's the last Genesis album that worth taking seriously if only for what it could have been, maybe Gabriel could have guest returned and it might even have been amazing (?!)

No it doesn't, the two are completely different points. I would never say Genesis stopped being any good after Hackett left, but they certainly lost their prog touch (possibly due to Steve?). There's a reason you see W&W listed as the last 'peak' Genesis release on just about any serious prog fan's list.

Can't disagree with anything else you said though )

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