The American Politics Thread

Excuse me for over posting, but this needs to be said.

Trump is not a true small government conservative, he is not fiscally responsible and he tries to use the government to solve every little thing.
He is socially conservative, or more accurately reactionary, but he does not have any understanding of small government, free markets and personal freedom.

Trump has pretty much destroyed the intelligent college educated small government conservative movement in this country and replaced it with right wing big government and there is a big difference between the two.

^ To further the exchange. Does trump really care about protecting this country? He does not seem to mind foreign invasions of our elections, or will an old-fashioned wall help with that.

I'm an independent too, no party affiliation for me.

I never said trump colluded with the russians, and I never thought he did, at least not in a provable way. He really didn't need to, it was well known putin wanted him in office, and although the Russians are well known for meddling in elections here and in Germany, France etc, I don't think they made much difference here. Trump was going to win either way because hillary was not a very good candidate.

But the bottom line is, is it good for us to let countries meddle with our elections. I doubt it.

As for illegal immigration, dems and repubs are hypocrites, they know cheap labor boosts the economy, so they pretend to try to prevent it, such as building a wall that is easily circumvented etc.
If they really wanted to stop illegal labor, they would go after the employers, but that will never happen because that would work.

Edited by Easy Money - March 26 2019 at 19:06

I thought that was common knowledge for most, if not lets leave that out for now.

Lets suppose putin wanted hillary to be president, is it still a good idea to let other countries meddle in our elections no matter who they support?

Edited by Atavachron - March 26 2019 at 19:43

Edited by omphaloskepsis - March 27 2019 at 04:57

omphaloskepsis wrote: You've seen the headlines Easy Money?  Mueller cleared Trump.  Zero evidence that Trump allowed a foreign influence or collusion of our elections.  I know you've slept since then but Obama was President during the 2016 election.  Perhaps Obama needs to be investigated for colluding with Russia?

progaardvark wrote: omphaloskepsis wrote: You've seen the headlines Easy Money?  Mueller cleared Trump.  Zero evidence that Trump allowed a foreign influence or collusion of our elections.  I know you've slept since then but Obama was President during the 2016 election.  Perhaps Obama needs to be investigated for colluding with Russia?   I guess you're right about that one. If only Obama had the balls to declare the election illegitimate or stalled the election until we could address the Russian meddling problem. I wonder what your reaction would have been to that.

 

omphaloskepsis wrote: progaardvark wrote: omphaloskepsis wrote: Facts-  2 years and 2 months into Obama's Presidency the National Debt rose by 4 Trillion dollars.     2 years and 2 months into Trump's presidency the National Debt rose 2.08 Trillion dollars.  Obama doubled Trump!  And as usual, this statement lacks context. One important difference is that Trump has added a massive amount of debt while the economy has been relatively strong. Obama took on debt during the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression. Economists typically recommend that governments increase spending during times of economic struggle and pay it down when the economy recovers. Trump is doing the opposite. He did once claim that he could eliminate the debt in 8 years. This is not a good start for that pledge.   Yep, that statement lacks context.  And as usual, you- Progaardvark took my statement out of context. Just before I wrote that statement, I said,  "Congress controls the budget and the purses strings. Not the President."   I was pointing out to EasyMoney that you can't blame the debt on the President'.

progaardvark wrote: If only Obama had the balls to declare the election illegitimate or stalled the election until we could address the Russian meddling problem.