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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 29 2008 at 13:56
Originally posted by Ghost Rider Ghost Rider wrote:



As for CD purchases, I recently got Egg's The Polite Force (which I already had, though not in CD format), and am planning to get other stuff. There is a store belonging to the French chain FNAC here in Rome where they have quite a good selection of Canterbury-related records, including something that still has to find a place here on PA - Jakko Jakszyk's The Bruised Romantic Glee Club, which I saw the other day at a very good price. Does anyone know the album? If so, would you recommend it?


Welcome back mon amie!  I absolutely love The Polite Force - I really think it ranks as one of the best Canterbury albums, and to be honest I think Mont Campbell is among the most underrated (if you forgive the term) prog musicians.  Have never heard that Jakko album but you've intrigued me - can you list the musicians who play on it?  Maybe Dick Heath can provide input if he sees these posts.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 29 2008 at 13:59
Originally posted by MisterProg2112 MisterProg2112 wrote:

I'm really listening to a lot of different genres of prog now, considering I only came to this site listening to a limited amount of prog metal, and some 70s prog. Now I've been listening to a lot of Caravan, just the first band I've listened to from the Cantebury scene, and it's really good.

Does anyone have any suggestions for what I should try next?


Three key albums to start:

Hatfield and the North - s/t debut (The Rotters' Club is also excellent, but I have a slight preference for this one)
Gong - You
Soft Machine - Third

Absolutely come back and let us know what you think - we'll feed your addiction further be happy to make some more recommendations.  Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2008 at 12:05
Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

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 Jakko Jakszyk's The Bruised Romantic Glee Club, which I saw the other day at a very good price. Does anyone know the album? If so, would you recommend it?
 Maybe Dick Heath can provide input if he sees these posts.
 
Excellent album - and but for Jakko's non-inclusion on this site you could have an interview I did with Jakko January 2007, which includes talks about the making of Bruised Romantic and it would have been my nomination as the prog album of 2006 - I was priviledged that Jakko sent me a pre-release copy in April 2006. It is a great double album, CD 1 is made up of  Jakko's compositions, CD 2 largely includes a number of his favoured tunes as covers.
 
Line-up includes Gavin Harrison on many tracks, Robert Fripp, Dave Stewart (Jakko's colleague from Rapid Eye Movement), Hugh Hopper, Mel Collin (I also think - without the CD notes in front of me -) Ian McDonald, Danny Thompson, etc. - who indicate the Canterbury come Krimson flavour of the album. If you know Jakko's previous releases - especially those done in the company of former Japan members e.g. Kingdom Of Dust - that will give you a hint the musical style of CD 1. CD 2 (i.e. largely covers) brings Soft Machine, Henry Cow and King Crimson tunes on to one side of CD. Jakko provides vocals, the sometimes Holdsworthian guitar, and the less occasional flute.
 
However, it may be more difficult to get hold of the album, since I've just read Iceni Records has gone into receivership, although Jakko is trying to recover remaining CD stock. Also recommend Jakko fronting 21st Century Schizoid Band's Live In New York - although that too was released on Iceni Records and obviously has a strong Krimson flavour with the band's other members and the tunes covered.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2008 at 12:52
Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

Originally posted by MisterProg2112 MisterProg2112 wrote:

I'm really listening to a lot of different genres of prog now, considering I only came to this site listening to a limited amount of prog metal, and some 70s prog. Now I've been listening to a lot of Caravan, just the first band I've listened to from the Cantebury scene, and it's really good.

Does anyone have any suggestions for what I should try next?


Three key albums to start:

Hatfield and the North - s/t debut (The Rotters' Club is also excellent, but I have a slight preference for this one)
Gong - You
Soft Machine - Third

Absolutely come back and let us know what you think - we'll feed your addiction further be happy to make some more recommendations.  Smile
 
I would add Caravan's If I Could Do It All over Agan I'll Do it All Over You, which I've always heard as a spirited challenge to Soft Machine pioneering Canterbury work - especially set against another favourite Machine's Volume Two - and probably as jazzy as Caravan will go until their reformation in the 90's. I really have a dilemma going for Volume Two or Third (and indeed if in a psychedelic mood, the eponymous Soft Machine album). Volume Two represents better than most albums of the period the transition from psychedelic playing/lyrics to more progressive flavoured music - however, by the time Machine reformed and produced Third, they had shifted into avant jazz fusion but with the temporary problem of Wyatt wanting to perform that gem Moon In June.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2008 at 12:55
Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

 
I would add Caravan's If I Could Do It All over Agan I'll Do it All Over You, which I've always heard as a spirited challenge to Soft Machine pioneering Canterbury work


I couldn't agree more, however MisterProg2112 indicated that he had obtained some Caravan; I guess I just assumed he has this particular record.  If I'm wrong, then add this to the list - essential Canterbury IMO.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2008 at 12:57
Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

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 Jakko Jakszyk's The Bruised Romantic Glee Club, which I saw the other day at a very good price. Does anyone know the album? If so, would you recommend it?
 Maybe Dick Heath can provide input if he sees these posts.
 
Excellent album - and but for Jakko's non-inclusion on this site you could have an interview I did with Jakko January 2007, which includes talks about the making of Bruised Romantic and it would have been my nomination as the prog album of 2006 - I was priviledged that Jakko sent me a pre-release copy in April 2006. It is a great double album, CD 1 is made up of  Jakko's compositions, CD 2 largely includes a number of his favoured tunes as covers.
 
Line-up includes Gavin Harrison on many tracks, Robert Fripp, Dave Stewart (Jakko's colleague from Rapid Eye Movement), Hugh Hopper, Mel Collin (I also think - without the CD notes in front of me -) Ian McDonald, Danny Thompson, etc. - who indicate the Canterbury come Krimson flavour of the album. If you know Jakko's previous releases - especially those done in the company of former Japan members e.g. Kingdom Of Dust - that will give you a hint the musical style of CD 1. CD 2 (i.e. largely covers) brings Soft Machine, Henry Cow and King Crimson tunes on to one side of CD. Jakko provides vocals, the sometimes Holdsworthian guitar, and the less occasional flute.
 
However, it may be more difficult to get hold of the album, since I've just read Iceni Records has gone into receivership, although Jakko is trying to recover remaining CD stock. Also recommend Jakko fronting 21st Century Schizoid Band's Live In New York - although that too was released on Iceni Records and obviously has a strong Krimson flavour with the band's other members and the tunes covered.


Dick, I'm absolutely drooling over this description - sad to hear that the album may be difficult to obtain, but I shall be on the hunt for it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2008 at 13:05
Thanks a lot to Dick for the album informationClap! Tomorrow I'm going to the store where I saw it last week, and hopefully I'll find it again - it was priced € 13, a very good price for a double album! Anyway, having seen threads about Jakko around the forums, I was surprised not to find him in our database. If I manage to get the album, I'd like to volunteer for adding him - in JR/F or in Canterbury, seen as he's listed on the ultimate Canterbury source, the Calyx website.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2008 at 13:25
Update:  the Jakko album can be obtained in mp3 form through Amazon or emusic.  Obviously not a preferred format for a lot of people, but looks like it's the only game in town right now.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2008 at 22:43

Hi! I have $20 to spend on iTunes and I'm wondering which National Health album to get (to start). Probably Of Queues and Cures, right? Might be an obvious answer.

Then what? I have In the Land of Grey and Pink, The Polite Force, You, Fourth and The Rotter's Club. Obviously I really like Caravan, Hatfield and Gong (so far). Should I expand on those or should I trial different bands? And yes, I'll trust a stranger's decision more than my own.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2008 at 22:55
Originally posted by Poser Poser wrote:

Hi! I have $20 to spend on iTunes and I'm wondering which National Health album to get (to start). Probably Of Queues and Cures, right? Might be an obvious answer.

Then what? I have In the Land of Grey and Pink, The Polite Force, You, Fourth and The Rotter's Club. Obviously I really like Caravan, Hatfield and Gong (so far). Should I expand on those or should I trial different bands? And yes, I'll trust a stranger's decision more than my own.


Get Soft Machine's Third.  Immediately. 

Plus, it's a mere 4 bucks on iTunes!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 31 2008 at 00:30
Originally posted by Poser Poser wrote:

Hi! I have $20 to spend on iTunes and I'm wondering which National Health album to get (to start). Probably Of Queues and Cures, right? Might be an obvious answer.

Then what? I have In the Land of Grey and Pink, The Polite Force, You, Fourth and The Rotter's Club. Obviously I really like Caravan, Hatfield and Gong (so far). Should I expand on those or should I trial different bands? And yes, I'll trust a stranger's decision more than my own.


Do what rileydog said Tongue

Get the first two National Health and Hatfield's debut as well.
Get Caravan's If I Could...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 31 2008 at 00:45
Originally posted by Poser Poser wrote:

Hi! I have $20 to spend on iTunes and I'm wondering which National Health album to get (to start). Probably Of Queues and Cures, right? Might be an obvious answer.


Then what? I have In the Land of Grey and Pink, The Polite Force, You, Fourth and The Rotter's Club. Obviously I really like Caravan, Hatfield and Gong (so far). Should I expand on those or should I trial different bands? And yes, I'll trust a stranger's decision more than my own.


We've been over this before, you. Of Queues And Cures will basically change your life. If it doesn't, your copy is obviously faulty and pirated.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 31 2008 at 11:50
Originally posted by Chameleon Chameleon wrote:

Originally posted by Poser Poser wrote:

Hi! I have $20 to spend on iTunes and I'm wondering which National Health album to get (to start). Probably Of Queues and Cures, right? Might be an obvious answer.


Then what? I have In the Land of Grey and Pink, The Polite Force, You, Fourth and The Rotter's Club. Obviously I really like Caravan, Hatfield and Gong (so far). Should I expand on those or should I trial different bands? And yes, I'll trust a stranger's decision more than my own.


We've been over this before, you. Of Queues And Cures will basically change your life. If it doesn't, your copy is obviously faulty and pirated.
Alright, alright Deelain. Buy'd. Lov'd. Shocked Are those steel drums I hear in The Collapso?
 
iTunes doesn't have If I Could do it all Over Again...Or anything Hatfield. It's all because I broke a mirror. Bad luck until I'm 23.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 31 2008 at 13:53
OK, my search-and-destroy mission of today was largely fruitful, seen as I got home not only with Jakko Jakszyk's aforementioned album (which will make all of you green with envy WinkLOL), but also with Khan's Space Shanty (which I had been looking for in vain for some time now), and Egg's The Civil Surface. Since FNAC is a French chain, I suppose the abundance of Canterbury-related material is due to the popularity of the subgenre in France - wonderful thing for those who live in close proximity to such stores (they also have a nice selection of RPI and Krautrock stuff).

That said, the Jakko album is indeed superb, and he deserves addition in PA immediately. The only thing is, where are we going to put it? Besides Canterbury, on the strength of this album I think Xover (or even eclectic) could be a good placement for him. I'm quite willing to do the addition myself, and will talk to Micky and Dean about it.
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Alright, alright Deelain. Buy'd. Lov'd. Shocked Are those steel drums I hear in The Collapso?
 


They are indeed.  By God, you've obtained one of the greatest albums ever.
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Originally posted by Ghost Rider Ghost Rider wrote:

OK, my search-and-destroy mission of today was largely fruitful, seen as I got home not only with Jakko Jakszyk's aforementioned album (which will make all of you green with envy WinkLOL), but also with Khan's Space Shanty (which I had been looking for in vain for some time now), and Egg's The Civil Surface. Since FNAC is a French chain, I suppose the abundance of Canterbury-related material is due to the popularity of the subgenre in France - wonderful thing for those who live in close proximity to such stores (they also have a nice selection of RPI and Krautrock stuff).

That said, the Jakko album is indeed superb, and he deserves addition in PA immediately. The only thing is, where are we going to put it? Besides Canterbury, on the strength of this album I think Xover (or even eclectic) could be a good placement for him. I'm quite willing to do the addition myself, and will talk to Micky and Dean about it.


Raf - I downloaded this album Friday, and listened to it a little.  I have the same sort of quandary about where (at least this particular record) would be placed - despite the Canterbury's "who's who" on there - I can provide some more input next week when I listen to it more.

The other two albums you got are also a win, although I will say I find The Civil Surface my least favorite of the Egg records.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 31 2008 at 18:27
Originally posted by Ghost Rider Ghost Rider wrote:

OK, my search-and-destroy mission of today was largely fruitful, seen as I got home not only with Jakko Jakszyk's aforementioned album (which will make all of you green with envy WinkLOL), but also with Khan's Space Shanty (which I had been looking for in vain for some time now), and Egg's The Civil Surface.


No it won't, I have a signed copy by Jakko Jakszyk himself. WinkBig%20smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 31 2008 at 18:29
Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

Originally posted by Ghost Rider Ghost Rider wrote:

OK, my search-and-destroy mission of today was largely fruitful, seen as I got home not only with Jakko Jakszyk's aforementioned album (which will make all of you green with envy WinkLOL), but also with Khan's Space Shanty (which I had been looking for in vain for some time now), and Egg's The Civil Surface. Since FNAC is a French chain, I suppose the abundance of Canterbury-related material is due to the popularity of the subgenre in France - wonderful thing for those who live in close proximity to such stores (they also have a nice selection of RPI and Krautrock stuff).

That said, the Jakko album is indeed superb, and he deserves addition in PA immediately. The only thing is, where are we going to put it? Besides Canterbury, on the strength of this album I think Xover (or even eclectic) could be a good placement for him. I'm quite willing to do the addition myself, and will talk to Micky and Dean about it.


Raf - I downloaded this album Friday, and listened to it a little.  I have the same sort of quandary about where (at least this particular record) would be placed - despite the Canterbury's "who's who" on there - I can provide some more input next week when I listen to it more.

The other two albums you got are also a win, although I will say I find The Civil Surface my least favorite of the Egg records.


Hmm, so you listened to The Bruised Romantic Glee Club straight away but haven't yet listened to The Unbelievable Truth?

That's unbelievable!

That needs sorting out, Patrick. WinkLOL


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 31 2008 at 20:05
Originally posted by James James wrote:

Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

Originally posted by Ghost Rider Ghost Rider wrote:

OK, my search-and-destroy mission of today was largely fruitful, seen as I got home not only with Jakko Jakszyk's aforementioned album (which will make all of you green with envy WinkLOL), but also with Khan's Space Shanty (which I had been looking for in vain for some time now), and Egg's The Civil Surface. Since FNAC is a French chain, I suppose the abundance of Canterbury-related material is due to the popularity of the subgenre in France - wonderful thing for those who live in close proximity to such stores (they also have a nice selection of RPI and Krautrock stuff).

That said, the Jakko album is indeed superb, and he deserves addition in PA immediately. The only thing is, where are we going to put it? Besides Canterbury, on the strength of this album I think Xover (or even eclectic) could be a good placement for him. I'm quite willing to do the addition myself, and will talk to Micky and Dean about it.


Raf - I downloaded this album Friday, and listened to it a little.  I have the same sort of quandary about where (at least this particular record) would be placed - despite the Canterbury's "who's who" on there - I can provide some more input next week when I listen to it more.

The other two albums you got are also a win, although I will say I find The Civil Surface my least favorite of the Egg records.


Hmm, so you listened to The Bruised Romantic Glee Club straight away but haven't yet listened to The Unbelievable Truth?

That's unbelievable!

That needs sorting out, Patrick. WinkLOL


Check the "What are you listening to?" thread, n00b.  Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 31 2008 at 22:35
I've been absent here the past few days so haven't noticed.  Care to enlighten me?
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