What does Dream Theater need ?

lol!

Nevah meant ta be a Doutin' Thomas
Nothin' breaks lika broken promise!

cuncuna wrote: I got tired of this, so I called them. They just need a bit of milk, lettuce, sugar, some mustard and toilette paper.

Avantgardehead wrote: Cylli Kat wrote: Avantgardehead wrote: Cylli Kat wrote: if you think you can do what they've done for the last couple of decades, then step up to the freakin' plate and take your swing. In the meantime, quit knockin' what you, yourselves can't do... Sorry guys, we're not allowed to have opinions anymore. And since when does somebody need to be a instrumental virtuoso to have an opinion about one? I guess Leonard Maltin isn't allowed to have negative opinions about movies because he's never made them. And in the meantime, quit freaking out about negative opinions regarding bands you like. It doesn't/shouldn't affect you. You missed the important point I was trying to make, which was: This whole "If I were in Dream Theater, I would..." or, "Let's bash on Dream Theater" kind of thread is vapid 1. lacking or having lost life, sharpness, or flavor; insipid; flat: vapid tea. 2. without liveliness or spirit; dull or tedious: a vapid party; vapid conversation. insipid 1. without distinctive, interesting, or stimulating qualities; vapid: an insipid personality. 2. without sufficient taste to be pleasing, as food or drink; bland: a rather insipid soup. and pointlessly inane 1. lacking sense, significance, or ideas; silly: inane questions. 2. empty; void. . It's most certainly not a case of not being allowed to have an opinion.  And it has even less to do with people's negative opinions.  Dream Theater certainly don't need me to defend them, their record speaks for itself. You have no idea of what I did or did not miss. I quoted a part of your post and gave what I thought about it. What you posted has nothing to do with what I quoted.

What part of
It's most certainly not a case of not being allowed to have an opinion.  And it has even less to do with people's negative opinions.  Dream Theater certainly don't need me to defend them, their record speaks for itself.
Did you miss?

Would you prefer if I addressed your reply line by line?

"Sorry guys, we're not allowed to have opinions anymore."
Cheap shot, and you know it.
"And since when does somebody need to be a instrumental virtuoso to have an opinion about one?"
Since when does being a virtuoso musician preclude me from offering my opinion?
"I guess Leonard Maltin isn't allowed to have negative opinions about movies because he's never made them."
Opinions are fine, but being a critic does not necessarily qualify one in the same way (using your analogy) that being a filmmaker, or director, an avid student or a participator in an art or craft may qualify someone.
I'll phrase this differently; just because someone can build something with Legos, it doesn't make them an architect.
"And in the meantime, quit freaking out about negative opinions regarding bands you like. It doesn't/shouldn't affect you."
I missed the part where I was freaking out.  Besides which, your argument here is logically self-refuting; it would appear that you are the one freaking out over my freaking out, which you, yourself wrote shouldn't be done.  Because, as you wrote, it shouldn't affect you.

You took a portion of my reply to this thread which, apparently, you misconstrued and took umbrage over, then created motivations and arguments which you ascribed to me that were never implicitly nor explicitly intended or stated, and in the process completely (and I would argue intentionally), missed the central point of what I was trying to say.

Here, I'll state it plainly: The whole beat on Dream Theater issue has been done to death, it is boring and pointless.
I have no issues with disagreement, or spirited debate, but this issue has been hashed out to the nth degree and to repeatedly rehash it  seems a pointless waste of time.


Edited by Cylli Kat - March 08 2008 at 01:49

Cylli Kat wrote: What part of It's most certainly not a case of not being allowed to have an opinion.  And it has even less to do with people's negative opinions.  Dream Theater certainly don't need me to defend them, their record speaks for itself. Did you miss?

Ad hominem. Disregarded.

Would you prefer if I addressed your reply line by line?

Once again, ad hominem.

"Sorry guys, we're not allowed to have opinions anymore." Cheap shot, and you know it.

I'm seeing a trend, here.

"And since when does somebody need to be a instrumental virtuoso to have an opinion about one?" Since when does being a virtuoso musician preclude me from offering my opinion?

Straw-man argument.

"I guess Leonard Maltin isn't allowed to have negative opinions about movies because he's never made them." Opinions are fine, but being a critic does not necessarily qualify one in the same way (using your analogy) that being a filmmaker, or director, an avid student or a participator in an art or craft may qualify someone. I'll phrase this differently; just because someone can build something with Legos, it doesn't make them an architect.

Ambiguous point.

And in the meantime, quit freaking out about negative opinions regarding bands you like. It doesn't/shouldn't affect you. I missed the part where I was freaking out.  Besides which, your argument here is self-refuting; it would appear that you are the one freaking out over my freaking out, which you, yourself say shouldn't be done.

Straw-man and ad hominem.

You took a portion of my reply to this thread which, apparently, you misconstrued and took umbrage over, then created motivations and arguments which you ascribed to me that were never implicitly nor explicitly intended or stated, and in the process completely missed the central point of what I was trying to say.

Straw-man, once again...

Here, I'll state it plainly: The whole beat on Dream Theater issue has been done to death, it is boring and pointless. I have no issues with disagreement, or spirited debate, but this issue has been hashed out to the nth degree and to repeatedly rehash it  seems a pointless waste of time.

Why stop at Dream Theater? I'm sure every single "bash on" thread for every band in existence has been done to death.


Edited by Avantgardehead - March 08 2008 at 01:53

Woah! Let's not go in this direction guys but continue on with the topic instead.

darqDean wrote: Woah! Let's not go in this direction guys but continue on with the topic instead.

Fair enough.
My apologies if I've offended anyone, that was never my intention.

Avantgardehead, I harbor no hard feelings, I hope you don't either.  I believe we can agree to disagree on this point and get on with liking what we like and disliking what we dislike, and overlapping and pushing each other forward in what we mutually like to grow and expand in our mutual love of prog.


Edited by Cylli Kat - March 08 2008 at 02:33

Avantgardehead wrote: Why stop at Dream Theater? I'm sure every single "bash on" thread for every band in existence has been done to death.

Just go to any of the GameFAQs boards, there have been bashing threads for pretty much anything you can think of!

Avantgardehead wrote: Nevah meant ta be a Doutin' Thomas Nothin' breaks lika broken promise!