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Cristi, on occasion you enjoy lighting a fire. I'm no better.

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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Cristi, on occasion you enjoy lighting a fire. I'm no better.

Cheers

I'm not trying to light any fire. Maybe I'm too straight-forward, I don't know...
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Cristi, on occasion you enjoy lighting a fire. I'm no better.

Cheers

I'm not trying to light any fire. Maybe I'm too straight-forward, I don't know...
Cheers  

Isn't that how we should all be on this forum? Big smile

What's the fun in hot takes if you can't even disagree with anyone's picks? (let alone format... ahem)

I have no shame in justifying my picks and giving my opinion on why I think someone else missed something important.

This is not directed only at you btw
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote cstack3 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2023 at 18:51
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Frets N Worries Frets N Worries wrote:

Watcher of the Skies is the worst song off of Foxtrot

There is no bad song on Foxtrot. Confused

I agree!!  
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Frets N Worries Frets N Worries wrote:

Springsteen's version of Blinded by the Light is superior to Manfred Man's Earth Band version. Springsteen did write it after all

I prefer all Sprigsteen covers done by MMEB to the original songs. 

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Fictitious Sports is a close second to Gilmour's debut in the Floyd solo standings for me, followed by Rick's Wet Dreams. Fictitious Sports is really a Carla Bley album.


Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Zappastolethetowels Zappastolethetowels wrote:

Yes made nothing great post-Relayer. Agree
Canterbury prog is underrated and Camel are not Canterbury! Agree
ATOTT by Genesis is a snooze fest! Agree
Soft Machine's Fourth is their masterpiece! Agree
You are hard pressed to find a M. Davis record you can sit through and thoroughly enjoy! I love J. Johnson though! Love Miles and sit through loads of his stuff
Most Krautrock is aimless goofy noodling or just pathetic! Wonderful stuff love it


Canterbury is a snooze fest as are Camel most of the time (prog's equivalent of elevator music) Booo
Soft Machine have a lot of noodling, even on PA no one really cares about them! I Do! 5,000 ratings say different!
No one really cares about Gong either I Do! > 5,000 ratings!
Miles Davis is not prog (not a hot take) He's released at least a few prog albums (jazz fusion)
Krautrock - don't know why anyone listens to it (even Germans hate it mostly) Love It!





5000 ratings for all albums is not a lot even here!

I don't believe that Jazz Fusion is prog!
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Originally posted by Zappastolethetowels Zappastolethetowels wrote:


I have no shame in justifying my picks and giving my opinion on why I think someone else missed something important.

I'm not sure I understand what you say here. Confused

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Not many opinions here that I would vehemently disagree with, though I only read about half the 14 pages. 
I'll try some:

Queen's first 5 albums are the definition of crossover prog
A Passion Play is the best Jethro Tull album
Canterbury is a geographically local music scene and similar sounding bands outside of the locale are basically just fusion with a silly streak (I like many of those albums)
Interview is a superior GG album to Free Hand
Most Progressive Electronic could be labeled New Age if you sold it in a shop that smells of lavender and essential oils rather than coffee and cigarettes
Steven Wilson's worst engineering is infinitely better than his best music 

Prog related edition:
St. Anger is the only listenable post-Master of Puppets Metallica album
Never Say Die is a quality Black Sabbath album, as well as their most prog
Also Sabbath, Mob Rules is significantly better than Heaven and Hell
Vangelis' 70's albums have stronger prog cred than Peter Gabriel's solo albums. 





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^ Love the Steven Wilson one!


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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Zappastolethetowels Zappastolethetowels wrote:


I have no shame in justifying my picks and giving my opinion on why I think someone else missed something important.

I'm not sure I understand what you say here. Confused


Not a lot really, except that anyone can give their knowledge of a band, album, music, etc to show for themselves in case anybody who might be missing out on that would like to reconsider their hot take. 

ie. if someone disses a legendary album and shows no reasoning for it (not that there has to be any), you can defend the album or explain why you think they are wrong.
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Originally posted by Zappastolethetowels Zappastolethetowels wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Zappastolethetowels Zappastolethetowels wrote:


I have no shame in justifying my picks and giving my opinion on why I think someone else missed something important.

I'm not sure I understand what you say here. Confused


Not a lot really, except that anyone can give their knowledge of a band, album, music, etc to show for themselves in case anybody who might be missing out on that would like to reconsider their hot take. 

ie. if someone disses a legendary album and shows no reasoning for it (not that there has to be any), you can defend the album or explain why you think they are wrong.

Ok, thanks for explaining. Smile
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Originally posted by Tapfret Tapfret wrote:

Not many opinions here that I would vehemently disagree with, though I only read about have the 14 pages. 
I'll try some:

Queen's first 5 albums are the definition of crossover prog Disagree, only some songs deserve that cred
A Passion Play is the best Jethro Tull album It's def up there 
Canterbury is a geographically local music scene and similar sounding bands outside of the locale are basically just fusion with a silly streak (I like many of those albums) Can't argue with that tbh
Interview is a superior GG album to Free Hand NO!!
Steven Wilson's worst engineering is infinitely better than his best music Yes!!
Never Say Day is a quality Black Sabbath album, as well as their most prog I say look to first 7 for the latter part
Vangelis' 70's albums have stronger prog cred than Peter Gabriel's solo albums. I agree


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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Fictitious Sports is a close second to Gilmour's debut in the Floyd solo standings for me, followed by Rick's Wet Dreams. Fictitious Sports is really a Carla Bley album.


Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Zappastolethetowels Zappastolethetowels wrote:

Yes made nothing great post-Relayer. Agree
Canterbury prog is underrated and Camel are not Canterbury! Agree
ATOTT by Genesis is a snooze fest! Agree
Soft Machine's Fourth is their masterpiece! Agree
You are hard pressed to find a M. Davis record you can sit through and thoroughly enjoy! I love J. Johnson though! Love Miles and sit through loads of his stuff
Most Krautrock is aimless goofy noodling or just pathetic! Wonderful stuff love it


Canterbury is a snooze fest as are Camel most of the time (prog's equivalent of elevator music) Booo
Soft Machine have a lot of noodling, even on PA no one really cares about them! I Do! 5,000 ratings say different!
No one really cares about Gong either I Do! > 5,000 ratings!
Miles Davis is not prog (not a hot take) He's released at least a few prog albums (jazz fusion)
Krautrock - don't know why anyone listens to it (even Germans hate it mostly) Love It!






5000 ratings for all albums is not a lot even here!

I don't believe that Jazz Fusion is prog!


I'd argue that 5000 ratings prove that some people care rather than no-one.
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Originally posted by Tapfret Tapfret wrote:

St. Anger is the only listenable post-Master of Puppets Metallica album

LOL Wow. St. Anger is widely considered their single worst recording, and rightfully so.
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RPI, as a genre, never did much for me
Record Labels should allow bands to use and explore older sounds & production techniques (things get a little samey)
Post-Rock to me is Godspeed & anything related!
Get rid of the Indie/Raga baloney!
For GG, only ATT, Glass House & Free Hand hold replay value (as whole albums - the rest have filler)
Camel are bubblegum prog
I get annoyed by Hawkwind's sound
Zappa's Man From Utopia album is better than Drowning Witch & Them or US
I adore the "studio trickery" live album format (it elevates the nuances with the live sound!)
Foxtrot doesn't impact me as much as anything else during the classic period (possibly due to overplay)

Non-prog...
The essence of Coldplay make up Rush of Blood... & Viva... (maybe Parachutes to a degree as well)
Radiohead became Radiohead on Kid A and lasted only until In Rainbows (Amnesiac is good, but not Hail...)
The Stones lost their harder-edged emotional content after Brian died
I prefer every other Beatles album to Sgt Pepper (no joke!)
Pet Sounds is the only great BB album!
ELO are nothing special
^^ same with the Doors (sorry dad!)
Only first couple APP albums are good (not you Eye in the Sky, sorry!)
Breakfast in America > Crime... > ...Moments


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Originally posted by Zappastolethetowels Zappastolethetowels wrote:

Camel are bubblegum prog

This one hurts. Ouch I don't know which Camel album made you conclude with this insult. 
If you dislike the band, that's fine, but no need to belittle a band so much. 


Edited by Cristi - December 02 2023 at 02:23
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Quote Camel are bubblegum prog
How is this statement negative in any way? 70's bubblegum pop music was enjoyable imho. I'd take 70's bubblegum pop over 2020's over-autotuned trap pop music any day. B)
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Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Quote Camel are bubblegum prog
How is this statement negative in any way? 70's bubblegum pop music was enjoyable imho. I'd take 70's bubblegum pop over 2020's over-autotuned trap pop music any day. B)

Well, it is awfully negative for me. Ouch

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Also, I think Post Rock and Math Rock subgenres should be separated on PA, because of how different they are. Even more different than Prog Metal and Tech/Extreme Prog Metal.
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^I agree with that, and there can be a band that overlaps the two, they should be separate categories. I don't think it's really much of a hot take. Also, I don't think either are actually subgenres of prog rock. Also not much of a hot take.
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