The American Politics Thread

JJLehto wrote: A Person wrote: JJLehto wrote: Yeah, Trump is executing his grand plan quite well. Be such a madman and fool, that whenever he does do a totally normal, planned, practiced speech everyone eats it up.  Maybe it's the pivot we've been waiting a year and a half for, maybe it's not. Doesn't matter, it's all the game to him. I love how he could get away with announcing VOICE, one of the most f**ked things I've heard of, and the news of the day is "gosh he sure sounds presidential" Pretty much. It's really that simple. He behaves like such an utter nut case, being normal now is a shining beacon for him that everyone falls for.  I've accepted he has mastered the art of madman negotiation.

It also I think has to do with the fact that at the end of the day media outlets sell the stories that gets them the most money.

A Person wrote: JJLehto wrote: A Person wrote: JJLehto wrote: Yeah, Trump is executing his grand plan quite well. Be such a madman and fool, that whenever he does do a totally normal, planned, practiced speech everyone eats it up.  Maybe it's the pivot we've been waiting a year and a half for, maybe it's not. Doesn't matter, it's all the game to him. I love how he could get away with announcing VOICE, one of the most f**ked things I've heard of, and the news of the day is "gosh he sure sounds presidential" Pretty much. It's really that simple. He behaves like such an utter nut case, being normal now is a shining beacon for him that everyone falls for.  I've accepted he has mastered the art of madman negotiation.  It also I think has to do with the fact that at the end of the day media outlets sell the stories that gets them the most money.

JJLehto wrote: Jeff Sessions met twice with a Russian ambassador during the campaign, and did not disclose this info.  ... Are people STILL gunna be in denial? Bury their head, come up with stupid memes and whacky justifications all because the truth is too difficult to accept?

I suppose it will take many resignations and even some impeachment proceedings before this administration realizes that they are not above lying and deceit. The FBI has a a bone to pick with Trump and his cabinet and more scandals, I'm sure, will be forthcoming.

Jeff should be put in one of the prisons he so much wants to fill up.

THE RUSSIAN SCORECARD (for those of you keeping count):

Donald J. Trump has, since the 1980s, made numerous trips to Russia and relied on Russian investors to buy his properties around the world. In his last visit to Moscow in 2013, Trump was paid $14 million by Russian billionaire Aras Agalarov and other investors to bring the Miss Universe pageant to Russia

Donald Trump Jr. made the following announcement at a real estate conference in 2008: “Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets. We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia.” In the same speech, Donald Jr. claimed to have traveled to Russia 6 times in the previous 18 months.

Jared Kushner, Trump’s son-in-law and senior adviser, participated in a meeting at Trump Tower with Michael Flynn and Sergey I. Kislyak, the Russian ambassador, the White House announced today.

Michael Flynn, disgraced National Security Adviser, lied about meeting Sergey I. Kislyak, the Russian ambassador, several times during the campaign and transition regarding, among other things, the lifting of sanctions against Russia for tampering in the U.S. Presidential election. Flynn resigned his post due to the revelation.

Jeff Sessions, Attorney General, acknowledged that he had met twice with the Russian Ambassador during the campaign, despite previous denials. He lied under oath before Senate confirmation hearings regarding the conversations, then he backpedaled, saying he spoke to the Russians from his post as a senior member of the influential Armed Services Committee, but at least one of the discussions occurred at the Republican National Convention, where Sessions was a noted senior foreign adviser on the Trump election Team. As of today, Sessions has recused himself of participating in any investigation of Russian espionage in the White House.

Paul Manafort, former Trump campaign manager, is being investigated by the FBI, the CIA and the Treasury Department's financial crimes unit as to whether intercepted communications and financial transactions demonstrate links between Russian intelligence officers and Trump's former campaign manager. He shrugged and said, "It's not like these people wear badges that say, 'I'm a Russian intelligence officer.’ "

Michael Cohen, President Donald Trump's personal counsel -- in collusion with Felix Sater, a Russian-American real-estate developer who has helped the Trump Organization scout deals in Russia, and pro-Russian Ukrainian lawmaker Andrii V. Artemenko -- hand-delivered a "peace" plan for Russia and Ukraine to former national security adviser Michael Flynn just prior to Flynn’s resignation. Cohen was also named in the explosive dossier assembled by British Intelligence as being in an “ongoing secret liaison relationship between the New York tycoon’s campaign and the Russian leadership.”

Carter Page, former Trump foreign policy adviser, is being investigated by U.S. intelligence agencies regarding his interactions with senior Russian officials, including former Deputy Prime Minister Igor Sechin and Deputy Chief for Internal Policy Igor Diveykin – the man U.S. officials believed was in charge of "intelligence collected by Russian agencies about the U.S. election."

Roger Stone, informal Trump adviser, had prior inside knowledge about the content of the emails hacked from the Clinton campaign and the timing of their release. When WikiLeaks released emails hacked from the DNC over the summer, Stone touted knowledge that more would come. In August, months before Clinton campaign manager John Podesta's emails were leaked, he tweeted: “It will soon the Podesta's time in the barrel."

People, this is really, really, really bad! This is one of the things I've been half waiting for, because it follows a dreadful pattern:

I've just read reports that Donald Trump has investment plans to spend 1 trillion dollars on infrastructure, mainly bridges and roads, and we've heard about his plans to increase the US arms arsenal.

Adolf Hitler based his continued public support in the 1930s on mainly two factors: the building of infrastructure, mainly motorways (autobahns), thereby providing mass employment, and the construction of a massive arms industry.

This is history that went massively wrong all over again; the Nazi methods are being copied without any attempt at concealment. This has Steve Bannon written all over it, and it's absolutely textbook.

History has also shown that this works. If Trump and Bannon provide mass employment in these two sectors, they will have all the public support they will ever need, and damn the consequences. They are laying the foundations that will inevitably lead to a new world war. Look at history.

I'm beginning to get very scared now, massively more than I've been before.

The methods of inciting civil unrest are already well under way, with the legal and illegal immigrants taking on the role of the Jews in Nazi Germany.

If what I'm fearing should be true, one of the next steps will be the creation of a secret police organisation only accountable to the closest Trump administration circle.

Let me be clear here: Trump is not the instigator; he hasn't got the brains or the mental stability. What he does have, however, is the charismatic personality, just right to take on the famous role of Lenin's 'Useful Idiot' for Steve Bannon.

Trump is just smoke and mirrors.


Edited by npjnpj - March 03 2017 at 07:27

The only thing wrong with such a coalition system is that it results in a serious lack of opposition.
The present German Bundestag, for instance, is a prime example of this.
The two main parties, who should be opposing each other and suggesting alternatives, are now in government together and practically indistinguishable from each other, leaving only the extreme right- and left wing crackpots in opposition.
It's a pretty dire situation.


Edited by npjnpj - March 03 2017 at 07:39

Edited by omphaloskepsis - March 03 2017 at 19:27

I went to the trouble of reading that article (twice actually), and I've still got only the vaguest idea what they're going on about. My impression is that whatever muddle-head wrote it has a lot of trouble expressing himself clearly. What a load of convoluted tripe! How is the average Trump supporter supposed to understand all that?

It seems that there is a DOJ slush fund that someone (in the Obama administration) did something with that wasn't illegal, possibly immoral, and highly questionable for, .... well...., reasons. Perhaps. At the very least I think it might be outragous. I'm not sure though.

Whatever the contents of this highly inflamatory articel might be, I'm certain it's scandalous, but for the life of me I can't figure out what it might be. One thing is certain though: Obama must go!


Edited by npjnpj - March 03 2017 at 23:44

Edited by omphaloskepsis - March 04 2017 at 01:20