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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 11 2019 at 18:01
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 15 2019 at 22:52
So McConnell supports Trump's emergency.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2019 at 07:49
Originally posted by HackettFan HackettFan wrote:

So McConnell supports Trump's emergency.
His own words will be his undoing.  "I didn't have to do this."


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2019 at 18:30
Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:

Originally posted by HackettFan HackettFan wrote:

So McConnell supports Trump's emergency.

His own words will be his undoing.  "I didn't have to do this."


Oh so true. What a buffoon! I hope it gets to the Supreme Court after he's voted out of office, though.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2019 at 18:49
What does "I didn't have to do this" even mean?   McConnell should be jailed for crimes against the People, along with (non-pols) Huckabee, Murdoch, Hannity, Beck, and... oh there are too many to mention
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2019 at 19:09
It is pretty mind-boggling.  And 45's weird singsong speech re what was likely to happen.  McConnell is just hands-down unconscionable.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2019 at 20:02
That speech could be used as evidence in evoking the supposedly "unconstitutional" (per Dershowitz) 25th ammendment.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2019 at 21:38
We can only hope

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2019 at 07:18
well.. I guess it is no surprise the Toddler in Chief declared his national emergency.  I called it back in December, as did other who saw it as Trump's only face saving move from a fight he wasn't going to win.

The surprise of course was not that it took so long.. but that Republicans are rolling over for this.

Sure there is the constitutional nature of it...  you know.. the things they once beleved in when they actually had ideals and beliefs as a party. Many national emergencies have been declared in the last 40 years... that is not the issue.. it is the further erroding of the balance of power.  Appropriations and how money is spent is and has always been a function of Congress.

however more interestingly .. this opens a big barn door that I'm sure some have considered.. but obviously not enough.

What will be the next National Emergency....   yep... guns...  and if you have half a brain you can see where that is going... a place where we may not like going.  It is a bad place the Democratic Party is in.. but if the barn door has not only been left open but blown off its hinges..  what will be coming next.

See for as anyone who has paid attention knows.. control control.. making guns illegal has and will do nothng to curve gun violence.  As those measure have done is restrict the law abiding...  it does nothing for those who.. well.. aren't exactly upstanding citizens and..  hahah..  

let me go out on a limb here.. 

and commit the vast majority of gun related crimes.

There is only way to truly combat gun violence... is this country ready for it...   we shall see.  That reality is much closer thanks to Trump.. and his parties utter lack of principal or backbone.. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2019 at 06:26
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2019 at 07:23
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:



See for as anyone who has paid attention knows.. control control.. making guns illegal has and will do nothng to curve gun violence.  As those measure have done is restrict the law abiding...  it does nothing for those who.. well.. aren't exactly upstanding citizens and..  hahah..  

let me go out on a limb here.. 

and commit the vast majority of gun related crimes.

There is only way to truly combat gun violence... is this country ready for it...   we shall see.  That reality is much closer thanks to Trump.. and his parties utter lack of principal or backbone.. 

How would you explain that gun crime is much lower than in the US in pretty much all countries that have more restrictive gun laws?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2019 at 09:42
Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:



See for as anyone who has paid attention knows.. control control.. making guns illegal has and will do nothng to curve gun violence.  As those measure have done is restrict the law abiding...  it does nothing for those who.. well.. aren't exactly upstanding citizens and..  hahah..  

let me go out on a limb here.. 

and commit the vast majority of gun related crimes.

There is only way to truly combat gun violence... is this country ready for it...   we shall see.  That reality is much closer thanks to Trump.. and his parties utter lack of principal or backbone.. 

How would you explain that gun crime is much lower than in the US in pretty much all countries that have more restrictive gun laws?

In fact, this reminds me of something I read on quora today. This is about an incident that happened in Mumbai.  There was heavy traffic, as usual, and a young chap riding a motorbike brushed the side of a car.  There was no damage to either vehicle but the motorcyclist got down and started hitting the front lamps of the car to register his displeasure. The driver, an apparently old and harmless man, pointed his handgun at the young man at which the latter froze and then asked him, "What's the matter, son?  Why are you so angry?"  The latter fled with his tail between his legs.  

So what's the crux of this anecdote?  That the old man with the handgun would have had to be an ex army/police officer as only they are usually able to legally obtain guns in India.  I have never heard the sound of a report and never seen a police officer brandish a gun at anybody nor seen a civilian with one.  To be sure, there are places in India where people do obtain it illegally and of course gangsters do so all over.  But you don't hear of mass shootings in schools or colleges or cinema halls here for a reason.  Because the wrong guys can't get hold of guns.  This is counter-intuitive because criminals are morally and technically the wrong guys to get hold of guns.  But (a) they are going to do so either way and (b) they use it only purposefully.  Yes, this may mean it is not advisable passing through certain neighbourhoods alone at night as armed robbers can easily get the better of you.  BUT at least deranged or just plain mad-as-hell people don't get to let loose their weapon on unsuspecting and innocent victims. 

I may add though that while some people do maintain civilisation cheek by jowl with forests in India (a leopard got into the parking lot of a shopping mall in a distant suburb of Mumbai earlier today!), it is the aberration rather than the norm and it's usually only indigenous people who live there and who have long experience in living alongside animals.  Hunting for deer, even the plentiful chital, is not a concept in existence in India whereas I have read that James Hetfield shifted to Colorado because, among other things, he wanted to be able to hunt for food.  I believe it is for such reasons that the gun lobby wants to preserve the right to own firearms in the USA and not because it improves safety because it doesn't.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2019 at 12:18
I have never understood why the 2nd amendment should be such a big deal in a modern society. It might have been vital when it was introduced, but it's not the wild west anymore. It's now both archaic and dangerous.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2019 at 14:56
^ Archaic and dangerous......could that sum up most people that own guns who are rabid about the 2nd amendment and support these Republican positions?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2019 at 18:17
Originally posted by npjnpj npjnpj wrote:

I have never understood why the 2nd amendment should be such a big deal in a modern society. It might have been vital when it was introduced, but it's not the wild west anymore. It's now both archaic and dangerous.

ummm.. because it is the constitution man.. that makes it such a big deal.

And until that amendment is countermanded or repealed..  it is the basic right guaranteed under the Constitution (subject of course to interpretation) that Americans can choose.. or not .. to exercise. 

and about that 'subject' to interpretation...  if one considers ones personal rights and liberties.. it is akin to the heart and soul of our legal system.. where it is better to let 10 guilty men walk than imprison a single innocent.  Here one can argue that infringing on the rights of a few.. to save many.. (and note obviously is not just a few).. is a more dangerous than the any possible good that come out of it.

which goes back to my original point on this.   There are two ways to combat....  really combat gun violence.. one involves a great deal of time, expense, dealing some ugly truths about our society, and isn't a quick easy fix.  The other,  going after guns themselves

there is little to no discussion in the Democratic Party about the first....... it is about the 2nd... 

but as anyone knows.. all the restrictions.. outlawing .. have they made our schools safer..  kept a****les from killing large numbers of people when they decide to go out in a blaze of infamy rather than just drinking themselves to death or simply jumping off a f**king bridge haha.

no they have not...  yet the Democrats are making the same mistake teh Republicans have on other social issues.. they are fighting a fight they can not win.. for they have already lost it.  Guns and violence are so prevalent in our society.. and our nation that it would take an radical step to achive what they want. Which is a noble goal.. but never a realistic one..  

until Trump and the partisan politicizing of 'national emergency' That boomerang may really come back not just to haunt Republicans, which would be sweet poetic justice, but in fact ALL Americans and that is a big f**king problem

so let me ask some of you who think owning a gun is barbaric...  what is worse...  having the level of gun violence we do have... (noting again there is the first option which few to any of our leaders are talking about)... or what may come to pass.. to where in the name of public safety... all gunowners.. not just bad guys for one can not seperate them..  lose their due process and the Feds come to your home to take your property..

losing one's rights and especially giving the government such police state actions can be argued to be far worse than the problem it is purportedly supposed to correct.

something to consider..  and pat yourself on the back if you do.. for you'll be more pensive and far sighted than our friends in the Republican Party.. and many Democrats for that matter.

My hope is this madness is this anti-gun crusade just a temporary madness on the left... and that they will  have bigger fish to fry in the next decade as they take the reigns of power.. and in frying them.. they can take large steps.. perhaps without realizing it.. to some of the root causes of gun violence.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2019 at 18:27
Is it just me or does Roger Stone have a weird shaped head? Tongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2019 at 18:58
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Is it just me or does Roger Stone have a weird shaped head? Tongue
His eyes are at a weird angle, too

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2019 at 19:01
Re gunslingin Micky:
I agree with a lot of what you're saying, guns and abortion and similar things are red herrings, just distractions to keep people from considering the more important issues.

The real issue to me is making those who use the infrastructure the most pay for it, ie fair taxation.
Guns and abortion and similar such things are what the Republicans use to get people to vote for their unfair taxation policies and other destructive policies that darken the future for the next generation, and the Democrats do take the bait and co-enable them. Declaring a national emergency over guns would be about the stupidest move they could make.

What can the government do about guns and abortion, the case of alcohol prohibition might answer that question, but the government definitely knows how to collect taxes. Fair taxation is something that we can enforce.

Let the good people have some more of their green back and they will be able to do good things with it.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2019 at 19:41
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yes..  doing so would be a disaster of .. historic propertions...  even out f**kerying (İMicky 2019) Trump.

Pelosi said what she needed to say about the potential bomerang being guns.. but is smart enough to know it is .. again.. not just a historically bad decision.. but would also be the perhaps the single worst political move in over 200 years.  The deck is stacked for a Democratic dominance at the national level as Trump leaves and his party dying off.. that move alone could reverse the whole politcal calculus.

the problem is of course.. Pelosi would not be making that decision. It would be the new President.

reason #72 why again as a guns rights supporter.. I am so passionately behind Warren.  Unlike pretty much the rest of them.. she doesn't float upon the winds of political expediency.. she is a crusader but it isnt guns she is after. And as I alluded to.. what she is after...  might just go a ways towards some of the deep root causes of what causes .. not guns to be the problem.. but those that think the solution.. the way out.. is taking others with you as well as the senseless lower profile murders that is born out of a lot of our socio-economic issues which Warren would attempt to (long overdue in this country) finally address.

interesting point about guns and abortion...   a wise man once said.. show me a pro choice/pro gun OR an anti gun/anti abortion supporter and i will see integrity and logic in a person.  Problem is of course.. they are rare in both parties.  Also the thing to note.. I did mention this to SteveG once when he fretted about Roe v. Wade post Kavanaugh.   If one was being honest.. there is far more support in the Constitution and our laws for the gunowner rights than there are for a woman's.  

It may be a sad fact.. but it is still a fact.  Our court did IMO make the right choice back the 70's that the greater evil was taking away a woman's choice.. and her personal liberty and rights... even when there is no constitutional or obviously was legal basis for them...and taking away those rights was in fact worse than the taking of innocent lives...   the same.. one can argue and I guess I am....  holds true for guns.  It is the duality of the gun and abortion issues that far too few see. I'm not surprised you do as I had pegged you as one of the sharper minds on the site.

Beside...if we were really interesting in saving lives John.. we'd be going after the FDA...  the sh*t we are allowed (and also encouraged to pump into our bodies because some industry lobbyist got the congress well paid) kill far more than guns ever have.
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