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Easy Money 
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 Posted: February 01 2019 at 19:58 |
Excuse me for re-posting, but judging from your response I think you missed this.
 Easy Money wrote:
This man's foolish youthful act is not the face of racism in the US, its just an easy and convenient target.
The face of racism in this country is people who can't get a job, a fair trial, a bank loan etc, because of their race. Its people who live every minute of their life knowing they will not get a fair deal because others are looking at them for their race, whether at school, work, the grocery store, the car lot etc.
The face of racism in this country is those at the top who willfully keep others down. The gov., is not that person. Going after the gov. may help people feel like they are fighting racism, but its seems more like an obvious and easy target. It would be better if this energy was directed at much more serious racial problems of which there are plenty, some of which are inside ourselves. |
Edited by Easy Money - February 02 2019 at 15:25
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Man With Hat
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Posted: February 02 2019 at 00:02 |
First off lets not pretend people weren't racists in the 80s...especially in the south. Secondly, just out of curiosity, is he in the one in the blackface or the kkk outfit?
Thirdly, when these types of things happen (something from many years ago resurfaces) I tend to ask myself several questions (which I've modified to fit this situation):
How long ago was it? (I know the answer to this one of course...) Has it (or similar instances) happened again? When did he become associated with the democratic party? What has he done to combat issues of racism/injustice/etc in his entire career? What is he doing now to combat issues of racism/injustice/etc? How liberal is he (or claim to be)? Has he ever been associated with the republican party/right of center politics?
I don't know the answers to any of these (aside from the first).
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npjnpj
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Posted: February 02 2019 at 03:30 |
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I thank the Lord that I'm not young enough any more to have to worry about what I might do and what seems perfectly normal now might be considered offensive to someone in 30 or so years time.
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Posted: February 02 2019 at 04:27 |
IVNORD wrote:
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the USA is now taking all and any shackles off Russia and enabling them to develop and install nuclear weapons without risk of repercussions.
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The suspension of the arms control treaty. It is being camouflaged as giving US the ability to fight back as Russia illegally disobeys the treaty but in reality, it will simply give Russia full rein and that is what the Manchurian Candidate wants. I am surprised frankly that some democrat's ages old misdemeanours are getting more attention here than that. Or is it that people have already resigned to fate, that Russia will, as I expected, follow a scorched earth policy ever since Trump lost the mid terms? Oh, and Republicans call the Democrats anti-American and people still believe that?
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micky
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Posted: February 02 2019 at 06:09 |
Easy Money wrote:
Excuse me for re-posting, but judging from your response I think you missed this.
Easy Money wrote:
This man's foolish youthful act is not the face of racism in the US, its just an easy and convenient target.
The face of racism in this country is people who can't get a job, a fair trial, a bank loan etc, because of their race. Its people who live every minute of their life knowing they will not get a fair deal because others are looking at them for their race, whether at school, work, the grocery store, the car lot etc.
The face of racism in this country is those at the top who willfully keep others down. The gov., is not that person. Going after the gov. may help people feel like they are fighting racism, but its seems more like an obvious and easy target. It would be better if this energy was directed at much more serious problems of which there are plenty, some of which are inside ourselves. |
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how I could I miss it man.. we posted at nearly the same time lol. Needless to say I agree with you. Which is why I am such a firm supporter of Warren... she will tackle the roots of our sytematic racism economic and educational inequity which as I more directly pointed out .. self perpetuates racism still today in this country in those that were already predisposed towards racism.
In that unlike many.. I am not flipping out about that Starbucks CEO dude running as an independent..
he provides a perfect foil..as if Trump himself wasn't enough of one to her theme which she has long been a champion of and will not just resonate with progressives.. but a segment of Trump's support..
Shultz is just as likely to take votes from Trump as he might from Warren or Harris or any other leftist Democratic nominee. There will be a substantial anti-Trump vote in 2020... litterally half.. 50 per cent say anyone but Trump.. some though will not vote for a leftist Democrat.. so Shultz might provide a vote for him.. rather than not voting or voting for Gary Johnson again. I do think electorially his impact would be minimal but he could be a real boon to Warren and her message about how politics has become the playground of the rich and powerful.. and the government it's path to expanding their wealth and power.
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npjnpj
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Posted: February 02 2019 at 06:36 |
Sorry, but I've just got to ask: what are these "much more serious problems of which there are plenty" that are so much more serious than rampant racism?
It seems to me that the racial problems are tearing the US apart (South Africa springs to mind), so I'd really like to know what these points are that are considered top of the hit list instead of that.
And who, if not the government, is responsible for such actions as filling prisons almost entirely with non-white races, for instance? Is there really nothing it could do?
Edited by npjnpj - February 02 2019 at 06:37
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rogerthat
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Posted: February 02 2019 at 06:45 |
npjnpj wrote:
It seems to me that the racial problems are tearing the US apart (South Africa springs to mind), so I'd really like to know what these points are that are considered top of the hit list instead of that.
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Having been to the US and heard about life of black people from the mouths of black people themselves (and I mean black people working in low paying occupations like chauffeurs/bus drivers), I don't agree with the parallel at all. They did not say good things about life in America, mind you. But it was not apartheid that I saw. This sounds to me like those Europeans/Canadians who claim to have felt scared about getting shot by a gun toting lunatic the moment they stepped in America. Coming from where I do, I felt safer in America than where I live. And no, it's not like I see gun fights everyday where I live either; in fact I have never heard the sound of a report except from handguns used to scare away pigeons or crows. There are serious problems for sure in America; this was evident even in a cursory trail off the beaten tourist path. But hyperbole doesn't help matters either.
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micky
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Posted: February 02 2019 at 06:47 |
npjnpj wrote:
It seems to me that the racial problems are tearing the US apart (South Africa springs to mind), so I'd really like to know what these points are that are considered top of the hit list instead of that.
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John can take your question.. I'll take your summation.
No.. racial problems are not tearing us apart... we have hundreds of years of experience living with them.
what we are likely seeing now is not a tearing apart but the start of a fundamental change in our politics and this country a leftward shift brought on by the changing demographics and maturation of a younger generation who have evolved judging a person based on their color or ethnicity.
Far from being the disaster some think it Trump has (assuming he doesn't start a war .. all his mistakes can be corrected in short order) he has merely expedited the leftward shift of this country by removing the gloss and sheen of traditional Republicans who subtly used racism and fear to motivate whites to get out and vote.. and brought the blatant racism and fear of minorities out in the light. Which has apparantly done what one might hope might happen.. turn moderates off of him.. and his f**king party.
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npjnpj
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Posted: February 02 2019 at 06:48 |
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OK, I apologize. That was probably racially insensitive of me in there somewhere. My bad.
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npjnpj
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Posted: February 02 2019 at 06:55 |
Mickey, I think I see this a bit differently. Getting rid of racism is a long and arduous process and can take many, many decades to achieve, particularly on the inside of people, where it counts. Steps forward have been made accordingly since the 1960s, but Trump has erased a lot of this process, and getting back to where the USA was before he was elected can take a few decades.
I picture it akin to taking months to lose a substantial amount of weight, but piling it back on can be done in a week or so of binging.
Edited by npjnpj - February 02 2019 at 07:01
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micky
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Posted: February 02 2019 at 07:02 |
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no doubt.. no one thinks or expects it to go away quickly... as I've posted many times over these pages. This transformation is a decades long process which will coincide with the death of the Repubican Party as a nationally relevant party which exploits and perpetuates racism as a political tool. My point was of course we are merely seeing the beginning of that process and Trump was the expediter to a process which was likely going to happen anyway... but he merely expedited the process and in that.. short of being the disaster some see him as.. it is the great silver lining of his Presidency.
Edited by micky - February 02 2019 at 07:03
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npjnpj
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Posted: February 02 2019 at 07:15 |
You mean like always Trump is given credit for mopping up the messes he himself created.
And I don't think the Republican Party is going anywhere. They will be in the enviable position of spinning the catastrophe they leave behind as the fault of a governing Democratic party, who is, of course, now responsible. It's possibly they might emerge from this stronger than ever, when they inherit the cleanup and will be able to point to it as their achievement.
Edited by npjnpj - February 02 2019 at 07:21
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micky
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Posted: February 02 2019 at 07:23 |
hey I can play this too..
npjnpj wrote:
You mean like always Trump is given credit for mopping up the messes he himself created.
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hahha... this is a poltical thread.. you can be verbose... not sure what you are asking and how it pertains to racism or the changes this country is experiencing that have and will continue regardless of what Trump tries to do.
as I've said.. and put the numbers out there. It isn't illegals crossing the border changing this country.. it is legal immigration. Thus the poltics of Trump.. and white identity poltics and the politics of fear and racism are doomed... and unless they blow their party up and renounce their 50 years of white identity poltics.. the Republican Party is doomed.
anyhow.. no idea what you were saying there. Trump takes lots of credit for many things.. things Obama did or started.. or perhaps yeah.. cleaning up his own messes. But no idea if your post was intended to be about racism or the evolution of our politics in the here and now.. and decades to come.
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micky
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Posted: February 02 2019 at 07:30 |
npjnpj wrote:
And I don't think the Republican Party is going anywhere. They will be in the enviable position of spinning the catastrophe they leave behind as the fault of a governing Democratic party, who is, of course, now responsible. It's possibly they might emerge from this stronger than ever, when they inherit the cleanup and will be able to point to it as their achievement.
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you aren't paying attention then.
California is the first hint today of what the Republican Party will be decades from now.. a permentant minority party.. in fact.. a 3rd party. Since our system relies on two nationally viable parties.. the Republican Party will have to evolve.. and it has shown zero interest in doing so even with all the warning signs of what is to come.. or as I strongly suspect.. a more moderate party will emerge taking the place of the Republican Party as our 2nd nationally viable political party. I've posted at length about this.. no need to explain further but a regional party appealing only the bible belt/rural agrarian is a dead party waling in our 2 party political system and that is exactly where that party is heading.. and quickly based on how they got crushed nationally in 2018
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Easy Money
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Posted: February 02 2019 at 08:06 |
Gotta love the fact that t rump is catching it from women on both sides now. Anne on the right says build the wall or else and Nancy on the left says I have no money for your wall. How very humbling for him. His campaign bragging about a wall has become the albatross that is dragging his approval rating further down every day, and his misogynist bragging didn't exactly endear him to women. I get the feeling that Anne has been waiting for the perfect opportunity to attack for some time now.
Edited by Easy Money - February 02 2019 at 08:21
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Posted: February 02 2019 at 14:41 |
npjnpj wrote:
Sorry, but I've just got to ask: what are these "much more serious problems of which there are plenty" that are so much more serious than rampant racism?
It seems to me that the racial problems are tearing the US apart (South Africa springs to mind), so I'd really like to know what these points are that are considered top of the hit list instead of that.
And who, if not the government, is responsible for such actions as filling prisons almost entirely with non-white races, for instance? Is there really nothing it could do?
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I tell you what: Let's start a thread about German politics and then we can all jump on the bandwagon and start ignorantly criticizing things we don't know about. Sound good? You are so deeply out of touch and so ignorantly angry it is comic. Truly.
Do you not have any self-respect? Are you so morally bankrupt that you have to sit back throwing bottles at people just trying to work through their own national politics?
You give meaning to the term Schadenfreude.
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Easy Money
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Posted: February 02 2019 at 15:30 |
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^ Yes, he missed the point of my post so badly i didn't even bother responding. I changed the wording of the original post a bit so maybe it will be clearer now.
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npjnpj
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Posted: February 02 2019 at 16:23 |
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Changed it a bit? Nice one. More like: turned it completely on its head by inserting just one word. The original is imbedded in my quote above. Nasty trick, I've got to admire it.
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Easy Money
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Posted: February 02 2019 at 17:24 |
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^ Inserting that word helped make it clear what I meant in the first place. I didn't want someone else to misunderstand me as badly as you did, although I doubt that would be possible.
Edited by Easy Money - February 02 2019 at 17:39
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npjnpj
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Posted: February 03 2019 at 02:42 |
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My bad
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