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Psychedelic Paul
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🥶Which reminds me, I'm wearing a woolly palaver today to keep warm. It's freezing here in Nottingham! |
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It’s freezing in South Wales too - coldest 10k I’ve ever run this morning!!!
OK, now I’ve read through the thread and put that silly argument to bed (😉), here’s one or two of these Hot Take things from me: The song Close To The Edge, by the British progressive rock band Yes, is really not very good. This links with the fact that: Steve Howe’s guitar sound is horrible - Trevor Rabin’s is far superior Awake ranks quite low in the DT discography (but not the worst!!) All eras of IQ rank as highly as each other, but: Resistance is IQ’s “worst” album Marillion’s Marbles is a long way from the masterpiece it is claimed to be by so many |
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Psychedelic Paul
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^ Contrary to that, I really do believe Resistance is IQ's best album, at least until the novelty value of a new album wears off again.
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richardh
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Genesis - you can compare early Genesis to Supertramp , that's my point. Even Banks wasn't happy that Genesis were lumped in with the likes of ELP and Yes. Essentially Genesis were skilled song writers who knew how to extend songs. ELP and Yes were more 'technical'. I realise just how subjective this may be but my opinion is that SEBTP is not that far removed from Crime Of The Century, just a bit quirkier perhaps. Yes I would compare ATTWT with Breakfast In America. (love both) Probably true on Canterbury. I was 'fishing' a bit. My favourite album of the year is Zopp's Dominion and apparently they are Caravan 'clones'. Obviously I wouldn't know! Camel - I actually like The Snow Goose but if honestly they hadn't done that then I wouldn't care about them . I see them as a second generation prog band that added very little to what had come before. Don't see a lot of discussion about Gong and Soft Machine and I've been here a long time. Tull - it's the other way round. Aqualung and TAAB are exceptional albums, I just can't see any other period being better. Overall a great seventies band that didn't have any major peaks or troughs. Rush - back in the day (75-77) I really didn't like them and wasn't alone. Tom Sawyer literally changed my mind about them totally although I did get a bit bored with their late 80's very early 90's synth pop period when the seemingly wanted to be The Police. Came back to them in the 90's when they started developing a harder edge again and were writing songs that actually meant something to me at the time (no other bands were doing that for me) . I don't remember them ever being called 'Prog metal' and in general no one sees them that way I think. There have been a lot of discussions about even when 'Metal' started although I suspect that Rainbow are more important in that regards. Rush were essentially a band for nerds to enjoy especially in the late seventies when punk was happening. Marillion - bigging them up at the moment because themes they explored seem very relevant now and more than ever. I still like early Genesis but they get more and more dated by the minute. IMO.
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It’s nearly 5 years old!!! |
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Psychedelic Paul
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That's true, but I've only listened to the album twice so far.
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The former and the latter I've tried several times over the years to get into but to no avail (the same goes for Gong). As for KC, have only ever really liked the albums with Greg Lake, i.e. ITCOTCK and ITWOP.
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^ King Crimson were a 'project band' so basically Fripp plus anyone else who could put up with him. It might almost help to think of them as several bands. I like Red, Lizard and Power To Believe the most.
Gentle Giant is a 'prog badge' thing. Pay homage or hand in the badge. Yep not a very 'enjoyable' band, ultimate prog nerd band if ever there was! VDGG are a totally off the scale band. Probably the best composed crafted prog of the lot but you have to get past Hammill's vocals!
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Psychedelic Paul
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I feel exactly the same way about King Crimson - In the Court of the Crimson King & In the Wake of Poseidon are the only two King Crimson albums worth buying. You've tried to get into Gong, but have you tried Pierre Moerlen's Gong, which is a different sounding band entirely. Their Downwind album sounds like Mike Oldfield on steroids! 1979: Pierre Moerlen's Gong - Downwind - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzB4Aa4nRT4SkEZTCAK28ce_
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Exactly, it often comes down to personal taste. [I guess I will never earn my 'prog badge'.]
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And Then There Were Three is one of the very best Genesis records. Trespass and ATTWT were both better than what came between them by Genesis.
Budgie's 1978 album Impeckable is the greatest by that band. Rush's best album is 1975's Fly By Night. The Soft Machine really came into their own with the jazz rock influence in their music, starting with Third. Their first two albums don't really say much. Edited by presdoug - November 30 2023 at 10:05 |
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Not yet but I do find some of the Mother Gong stuff interesting, as well as Gilli's other solo-ish projects.
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The best solo albums by Pink Floyd alumni are Roger Waters' 'Pros & Cons of Hitch hiking' and Nick Mason's 'Fictitious Sports'.
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Another possible hot take: Catherine Ribeiro is the second best female prog vocalist of all time (after Annie Haslam that is).
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Cristi
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Really? Nick Mason's album?! That is a unique point of view. What about Richard Wright's two albums? David's debut album?! No?! What about Roger's Amused To Death?!
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Psychedelic Paul
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Yes, yes & yes again. I love all of those albums and I've bought most of them too, although I won't be buying Nick Mason's Fictitious Sports anytime soon.
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Frets N Worries
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Not sure if this is hot or not, but Hammill is prog's greatest signer and lyricist
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The Wheel of Time Turns, and Ages come and pass. What was, what will be, and what is, may yet fall under the shadow.
Let the Dragon ride again on the winds of time... |
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Greatest singer?! Or is he your favorite?
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Nick Mason's 'Fictitious Sports', David's first, and Roger's "Is This The Life We Really Want" for me. All of these clearly over Amused to Death and Rick's. Actually if I had to nominate just one, I'd probably go for Fictitious Sports as well. A fun album full of originality, and it has Robert Wyatt on it.
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Frets N Worries
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Both
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The Wheel of Time Turns, and Ages come and pass. What was, what will be, and what is, may yet fall under the shadow.
Let the Dragon ride again on the winds of time... |
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