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Flight123
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Posted: June 06 2016 at 06:35 |
But there's a thing - the lengthy, complex instrumental dimension of Henry Cow effectively ended with Western Culture; RIO bands like UZ seemed to take over where the Cow left off... Some of these elements remained in the later work of Cooper and Hodgkinson, but apart from improv. Art Bears, etc. mainly experimented with the shorter, song format.
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ALotOfBottle
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Posted: June 06 2016 at 08:43 |
Wow, I've been gone for not even the whole day and so many new replies in our collective
Flight123 wrote:
The Wikipedia article says that when Hodgkinson and Frith were performing as a duo, they played "a variety of musical styles, including "dada blues" and "neo-Hiroshima"." I wonder what that was!
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The Calyx chronology notes Henry Cow as a 5-piece in 1968; it also shows the first Peel session as being on the 4 May 1971. [/QUOTE] On soulseek, there are BBC recordings of Henry Cow from before Legend. I downloaded them and they sound legit. The little text file that is left reads: " the date is inaccurate-(2:29) the first 3 songs come from this session:(2:29) London, BBC Studios [John Peel show] - "Teen Beat", "Rapt In A Blanket", "I Came To See You" performed (broadcast Mar 14) [guests: Geoff Leigh & Dave Stewart](2:29) 28 february 72 (2:29) before legend :) (2:30) october [17] London, BBC Studios [John Peel show] - "With The Yellow Half Moon & Blue Star", "With The Yellow Half Moon & Blue Star Part 2" performed (broadcast Nov 14) [guest: DJ Perry] (2:31) and not sure, but i think the last tracks- (2:32) 1972 april [24] London, BBC Langham Studios [John Peel show] - "Nirvana For Mice", "Guider Tells of Silent Airborne Machine", "Nine Funerals of the Citizen King", "Bee" performed (broadcast May 8)". I would like to congratulate you if you can make a basic sense of that. However, the recordings sound like they were recorded long before Legend. I think these might be recordings from that era.
Edited by ALotOfBottle - June 06 2016 at 08:50
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DeadSouls
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Posted: June 06 2016 at 17:58 |
2dogs wrote:
I haven't heard the remixes, are they much different? |
Yes, they're different.
Legend from ESD Label is the Remixed Version (1991) while ReR HC1 is the Original Mix (1999). In this case, the Remixed Version is superior in quality than the Original Mix. For Unrest and In Praise of Learning, many details are much clearer in the Original Mix to my ears.
The problem on every ESD release is the volume, which was mixed ridiculously low for HC.
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Flight123
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Posted: June 07 2016 at 03:47 |
These are the details I could find of the first two BBC sessions:
1971
May [04] London, BBC Maida Vale Studios [Top Gear show] -
"Hieronymo's Mad Again", "Poglith Drives a Vauxhall Viva"
performed (broadcast May 29)
Martin Ditcham replaces Sean Jenkins on drums
1972
Feb [28] London, Playhouse Theatre [John Peel show] - "Teen Beat",
"Rapt In A Blanket", "I Came To See You" performed (broadcast
Mar 14) [guests: Geoff Leigh & Dave Stewart]
Edited by Flight123 - June 07 2016 at 03:50
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Flight123
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Posted: June 07 2016 at 03:51 |
More interesting facts: Henry Cow supported both Deep Purple and Fleetwood Mac in 1969! Imagine that!
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: June 07 2016 at 05:13 |
There was a (session) drummer in the first couple of Sade (y'know, Smooth Operator...) albums called Martin Ditcham. I wonder if it's the same guy ??
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Flight123
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Posted: June 07 2016 at 07:37 |
It is the same guy!
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: June 07 2016 at 07:43 |
^ Wow !! Not many folks working the commercial field could say they passed through the mighty Cow !! What an apprenticeship (Probably only lasted a gig or 2 but I'd still be proud) BTW, I love Sade......
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Flight123
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Posted: June 07 2016 at 08:44 |
It looks like he was with them for 3 months before Chris Cutler joined. 'Diamond Life' indeed!
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ALotOfBottle
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Posted: June 07 2016 at 09:48 |
You can't imagine how hyped I was when I've read that Andy Powell was the bassist of Henry Cow... Until I've read that it was not
the same Andy Powell as the phenomenal guitarist of Wishbone Ash.
Anyway, the Cow Andy Powell was a crucial figure in Henry Cow's career.
He studied music with Karlheinz Stockhausen and Georgy Ligeti! He played
in Intermodulation, a proto-electronic group with Roger Smalley, Tim
Souster and Robin Thompson. He was the one to introduce Hodgkinson and
Frith to neo-classical and avant-classical music, which in result
dominated Western Culture. Wonder what he's doing these days... During his days in Henry Cow, he played both bass and drums.
Flight123 wrote:
These are the details I could find of the first two BBC sessions:
1971
May [04] London, BBC Maida Vale Studios [Top Gear show] -
"Hieronymo's Mad Again", "Poglith Drives a Vauxhall Viva"
performed (broadcast May 29)
Martin Ditcham replaces Sean Jenkins on drums
1972
Feb [28] London, Playhouse Theatre [John Peel show] - "Teen Beat",
"Rapt In A Blanket", "I Came To See You" performed (broadcast
Mar 14) [guests: Geoff Leigh & Dave Stewart]
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I've just downloaded the full disc with BBC sessions. As to Dave Stewart; he did not play anything, did he? Or he did. Celleste, right? He also provided voices in a conversation in "Teenbeat". "I Came To See You" features such a great Ratledgeian solo by Tim Hodgkinson! Incredible!
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2dogs
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Posted: June 08 2016 at 00:41 |
Amazon have a cheap MP3 of the BBC John Peel session 24th April 1973 (broadcast May 8). The tracks are mislabeled and are really Nine Funerals of the Citizen King, Nirvana for Mice and Guider Tells of Silent Airborne Machine (all three parts). Whoever wrote that label couldn't even spell April .
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Flight123
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Posted: June 08 2016 at 03:46 |
This was actually a Virgin release; in the same series there is a session by Slapp Happy (featuring members of the Cow) from 74 although the sound quality is not as good. It does feature an early version of 'War'. There is also a session from the Hatfields from 73.
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: June 08 2016 at 04:13 |
So it turns out that only awesome folks are receptive of this system........good flor you all...... ^Jeebus, yet another drunken moment^ WTF ??
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: June 09 2016 at 07:25 |
I listened to I Came To See You - pure Canterbury, and a wicked organ solo from Tim. He didn't really solo like that on the albums. Just listening to LegEnd yet again. Definitely not an album you can get bored of. Every spin is pure joy from start to finish. Amygdala is just too good, there's so many blissfully serene moments throughout it. No wonder Tim had clouds painted on his Farfisa.
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ALotOfBottle
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Posted: June 09 2016 at 08:35 |
Tom Ozric wrote:
I listened to I Came To See You - pure Canterbury, and a wicked organ solo from Tim. He didn't really solo like that on the albums. Just listening to LegEnd yet again. Definitely not an album you can get bored of. Every spin is pure joy from start to finish. Amygdala is just too good, there's so many blissfully serene moments throughout it. No wonder Tim had clouds painted on his Farfisa. |
Man, how much I wish I could be home to listen to LegEnd right now. Even worse! I will be gone for a week next week and I will be only able to take one album with me (because of my phone's low memory capacity). I guess I will just make a playlist or something. Henry Cow will be represented through"Teenbeat Reprise" and "Nine Funerals" or "War". When I come back, I plan on purchasing Unrest or IPOL on LP.
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ALotOfBottle
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Posted: June 11 2016 at 13:12 |
Ok, attention, collective! I'll be gone for a week, but I'll be back on Friday or so! Take care, y'all.
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: June 11 2016 at 14:37 |
Just wanted to mention that I too am enjoying this thread immensely. I haven't had much time for PA lately, but I've been reading this one alright.
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“The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.”
- Douglas Adams
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: June 11 2016 at 16:26 |
^ David, nice of you to join us !! Feel free to chip in your thoughts on this amazing collective (Frith & Co.). It doesn't just stop at Henry Cow....
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: June 11 2016 at 16:33 |
Will do
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“The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.”
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ALotOfBottle
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Posted: June 17 2016 at 15:04 |
I'm back!
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