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Nice Floyd review.
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And  uploaded - with my compliments to the great Steve

Some make promises - Lazland delivers !!!  LOL

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(added some links and your signature /date, just like we had done with Marillion, please say if you don't agree with anything)


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Originally posted by Quinino Quinino wrote:

And  uploaded - with my compliments to the great Steve

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Thanks Jose (and Ian).

Thanks for adding the links. I am off work for a couple of weeks, so, in between clearing out my workroom and amwee bit of painting , I am hoping to do quite a bit more over the holiday period. I will probably tackle Mostly Autumn next.
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^ Do them justice, I looooove the band LOL (... yes, it's true)

Have a fantastic season, Steve, and good work !
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Originally posted by Quinino Quinino wrote:

^  Your friendly stance encourages me to dare ask you this - would you consider revising my own future bios on that linguistical aspects  ? (I hesitate doing more because of my limitations)
Thanks. Sorry, but you must understand that I have a busy college teaching job, often doing editing tasks just like you are requesting of me. I simply don't have the time, energy, or interest to commit to doing it here (for free!) with any regularity. I would hate to hold your bios up while you waited for me, and I'd also hate to feel stressed or pressured on here. I hope you understand.

Right now, in fact, I am laboriously correcting 100 assignments, most of which are poorly written. I have to identify and label every type of grammatical error, cross out words, write advice, etc. It is time-consuming and, frankly, draining. Any such work I do here has to be at my disgression and convenience.

Again, I hope you understand. I would even be very reluctant to commit to such additional work for money.

In any case, I need a computer--writing on this phone is a pain. Lots of typos!

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^ I was thinking Big, BIG Money, it's you who's loosing LOL
My friend, thanks for your answer - enjoying ourselves here is paramount, we have our real chores to annoy us enough already ... but no harm asking ...
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^ That's LOSING--one O, like LOST.
As in: "Did you lose your goose when it got loose?"

There! I helped you with your writing.
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For FREEEEE ? Can't believe it ! LOL

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And the same to you, new proggy pal o' mine!
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As promised, Mostly Autumn bio. Again, please upload Jose, with links & etc. BTW, Crapcha has kicked me out four times......

Mostly Autumn

Fine progressive rock band who really should be in the Premier League, but are probably quite happy as an archetypal cottage industry

 

Mostly Autumn were formed in York in 1995, their roots stemming from local gigging outfits mainly playing Pink Floyd covers.

Most bios on this site tend to include, rightly, discussions regarding line-up changes, the loss and replacements of personnel with varying importance, and the impact upon said act. With Mostly Autumn, such a discussion would simply take up far too much space, would probably be incomplete, and, ultimately, of little value. Suffice to say that, since the beginning, there have been numerous line-ups of the band, but all revolve around the man whose vision the band was, and is, namely Bryan Josh, guitarist, vocalist, lyricist. Indeed, when celebrated lead vocalist, Heather Findlay, left the band in 2010 to concentrate on a solo career, and new family, she said in an interview with Prog magazine, without a trace of rancour, that the band’s driving force and leader, to whom all centred, was Josh. Of the original line-up, only keyboardist Iain Jennings remains with Josh. It should be noted that, very sadly, original rhythm guitarist, and mainstay of the band to 2014, Liam Davison died in 2017.

In terms of the history of the band, a pertinent point to make about the ever-changing line-ups is that they appear to have been wholly achieved without any ill feelings on all parties’ sides; indeed, many who have left have returned as part of the revolving door, this in stark contrast to the act to whom they are usually most likened, one Pink Floyd, of which more below. They have variously been compared to Floyd, Jethro Tull, Fleetwood Mac, Ritchie Blackmore’s Rainbow, Blackmore’s Night, Camel, Renaissance, and a myriad of other progressive, folk, Celtic rock, and rock acts. In truth, they are a band whose music encompasses all these influences without ever sounding like anything other than Mostly Autumn. They are unique.

The Floyd connection was, in fact, promoted heavily in 2004/05 by then record label, Classic Rock Productions, with the release of a live album & DVD entitled Pink Floyd Revisited, which featured a side of Autumn live tracks, and a side of Floyd covers. The promotion came on the back of an interview on the BBC Radio 2 Johnnie Walker show with the late Richard Wright, who remarked that he was really enjoying listening to a Celtic infused act with clear Floyd influences by the name of Mostly Autumn. In truth, the comparison, and these releases, probably did not do the band any great favours.

The band were first signed to then progressive rock specialist label, Cyclops, and between 1999 & 2001, they released three albums with the label, namely For All We Shared, The Spirit of Autumn Past, and The Last Bright Light, all of which contain fan favourites still played live today, and gave notice of a band driven by song-writing and tight performances. The band, then, as now, toured extensively throughout UK & Europe, and probably first came to the notice of the wider music press when they were given a prestigious support slot with Blackmore’s Night. The connection continued, with the band also supporting the reformed Rainbow in 2016. The band also supported Steve Hackett in 2014.

The momentum created, sadly, did not translate into big commercial success, and the signing to Classic Rock Productions commenced with a disappointing “Music Inspired by the Lord of the Rings”, but redeemed with the delicate Passengers. It is probably the case that the record label simply did not know how to adequately promote their act, a modern rock band maybe out of place with record label stable mates such as Wishbone Ash.

As with so many modern prog rock acts, the band decided to take matters into their own hands, and Mostly Autumn Records was formed, with the label producing all subsequent releases, latterly many funded by pre-orders. Those who do pre-order are treated to tracks and merchandise not more widely commercially available. It is a fair summation to describe the band as a “cottage industry”, and the indications are that this method of funding, together with a loyal following at live venues, creates a commercial return adequate to fund the project.

When Findlay, who was the face and instantly recognisable front female voice of the band, left in 2010, many thought that the project would not be able to continue. However, to the front stepped up backing vocalist Olivia Sparnenn, and it proved to be an inspired choice. Olivia and Josh subsequently married, and a family was started in 2017.

Since self-releasing, the band have produced seven critically well received studio albums, none more so than the extremely dark and intense concept album, Dressed in Voices, released in 2014, this telling the tale of a man murdered on his way home, and relaying his final memories, thoughts, hopes, and fears in the ensuing music. Do not be fooled by the description, though, because in this work are moments of uplifting beauty and raw emotion.

To summarise, Mostly Autumn are a band whose music, passion, exceptional playing, and attitude to the world around them have earned respect across the rock music spectrum, and they are more than deserving of the attention of progressive rock fans looking for that something a little bit different, something folky, something rocky, something……Mostly Autumn.

Also recommended are side projects by Bryan Josh (as “Josh & Co”), Odin’s Dragonfly, with Findlay and flautist Angela Gordon, and Breathing Space, led by Iain Jennings.

 

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I'd just add few words about Angela Gordon. In my opinion the decadence of the band started when she left.
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Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:


I'd just add few words about Angela Gordon. In my opinion the decadence of the band started when she left.


Hi Luca, thanks for the feedback.

To explain, I am trying my best not to put in any subjective opinions about people or bands in these bios, as much as I can. The opinion re Angela leaving is very subjective, and not correct, in my opinion. Besides which, she is actually a current member of the band, having appeared on the latest album, and touring with them.

The further complication, as I alluded to in the bio, is that a discussion of each and every person leaving MA would take up a whole couple of pages in itself.
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MA bio added, thanks again Steve - please take a peek and let me know any possible link you'd like to see also included
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Talking about subjective, and also bios in desperate need of more detail, I think I will try to get something together vis a vis Genesis by the end of the week.

My own feeling is that each and every bio is important. However, and it is a big however, whether we like it, or not, casual visitors to the site do tend to go to the big acts first. This is not a surprise, and is not in any way wrong. I think that the major acts, therefore, need to have the best bios and detail, if nothing else to "drag" potential members and prog fans further into the genre and site depths.

What I mean by subjective in terms of Genesis is made clear in our existing bio in the dismissive "pop" comments re Collins. Of course, this era still attracts a huge amount of controversy in prog circles, and the site, but there are, I believe, better ways of putting this in a biography. Biographies should not, as a rule, be subjective. They should be objective, presenting facts, not personal opinions that are open to debate, or ridicule.

It is not an easy trick to achieve, but I will give it a go.
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Originally posted by Quinino Quinino wrote:

MA bio added, thanks again Steve - please take a peek and let me know any possible link you'd like to see also included


Thanks Jose. All good, but we do have a missing link on the site re Odin's Dragonfly, who do not appear to be here? I will make a new additions suggestion this week, because this is a surprising omission from the archives.
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^ I was also surprised when I couldn't find it (to make a clickable link where you mentioned them) but another band with the same name ... tbh I confess my ignorance of their work Embarrassed
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Sure, I don’t mean adding my opinion. I just think she’s been relevant in the huge number of people who has been in the lineup. She and Heather were a duo before meeting Josh
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And a revised Genesis bio for upload, links & etc. The wife has been out all day, so Mr Laz has had time to play!!

Genesis

Beloved Symphonic prog rock through to stadium filling rock titans

 

Any biography of Genesis must recognise that there are distinct periods in the band’s history, and that any discussion should recognise that musically and lyrically, the band which filled vast stadia throughout the 1990’s was a completely different creature to that which played sweaty student halls filled with spotty young men in the early 1970’s.

The original incarnation of the band had its origins in two outfits formed by Peter Gabriel (vocals & flute), Tony Banks (keyboards), Michael Rutherford (bass & rhythm guitars), and Anthony Phillips (lead guitars) whilst boarding students at the elite English public school, Charterhouse in the mid-1960’s. Outside the confines of an extremely stuffy atmosphere, the world was becoming far more liberated, socially, sexually, politically, and musically, and these bands represented an outlet for young men who, basically, as young men do, wanted some of that.

The two acts coalesced into one, and the students had the novel idea of placing a tape of their music into the hands of Jonathan King whilst he was visiting his alma mater. King was, at this time, a big selling artist and musical impresario, and, consequently, someone who mattered in the rock world.

The tapes were basic, but King took a shine to Gabriel’s voice, and recognised a unique sound and talent which, if nurtured, could become huge. He arranged for the band, with drummer Chris Stewart, to record some sessions in London, where the boys experimented with quite complex, orchestral pastiches. Knowing that King was not happy, the band penned Silent Sun, a song which was essentially a Bee Gees tribute single. The brothers Gibb were huge commercially at this time, and King was known to be a huge fan. The resulting album in early 1969 was named “Genesis to Revelation” by King, as representing something brand new and exciting in the musical world. It barely scratched the surface of the commercial music world, and, for many a year after, copies could still be found in the bargain bin section of stores.

Following this, there was, initially, some doubt as to whether the musical careers would survive leaving school. Parental pressures were particularly acute on Rutherford, whose parents had virtually guaranteed him a scholarship with the British Foreign Office. However, a decision was taken to further the music, and, with new drummer John Mayhew (not a schoolmate) in tow, the band began to gig extensively, picking up admirers in the burgeoning progressive rock scene which was bursting out in student halls across the UK.

King had, by now, lost interest, but the band were lucky when, on a recommendation, Tony Stratton-Smith, a legendary Soho impresario and founder of Charisma Records, saw them live, fell in love with, particularly, a live version of what was to be later recorded as Visions of Angels, and signed them up virtually there and then. The key to this signing was the artistic freedom afforded by the label to the band to produce the music they wanted to produce, and, crucially, the time required to build a following, something which would be next to impossible in the modern world, with its record executives generally having the attention span of the average gnat.

The first Charisma release was Trespass in late 1970, a collection of complex songs which belied the youth and relative inexperience of the band. As strange as it may seem, the band continued to play music from this album right up to the final live shows of 2007, with elements of Stagnation forming part of the classic instrumental medley regularly played at gigs. Most recognise that the highlight of the work was the furiously paced, radical, revolutionary rock track The Knife, which was the album, and live show, closer. It became a hit in Belgium in 1971, helping to propel the album to number one in the charts there.

The extensive touring was, though, beginning to take a toll on Phillips, who began to suffer from acute stage fright, this becoming so bad that he made the decision to quit. His departure was a body blow to the band, because Phillips was far more in terms of song-writing and playing one fifth of the outfit. Phillips would subsequently become a music teacher, and launched his own (studio based) solo career in 1977, encompassing a range of musical styles. Despite the loss, the decision was taken to carry on and to replace Mayhew, who had serious musical limitations, at the same time.

Steve Hackett on guitar was recruited on the back of an advert he had placed in the music newspaper Melody Maker, in which stated he wished to join “receptive musicians, determined to drive beyond existing stagnant music forms”. Phil Collins on drums attended auditions held at the rather grand Gabriel residence, and learned the songs being played to and by other auditionees whilst relaxing in an outside swimming pool. By the time his turn came, he was note perfect!

As grave as the loss of Phillips must have been, Genesis had added two exceptional musicians. Collins came to be regarded as one of the finest rock drummers in the world, and he had the added advantage of being able to provide decent backing vocals to Gabriel. On the first album released by the line-up, Nursery Cryme in 1971, Collins sang (uncredited) lead vocals on the short For Absent Friends.

The album did not sell particularly well in the UK, where the band were still very much a cult act, but did break big in Italy. Belgium also continued its commercial affair with the band, and, as a result, the band toured extensively on the continent, and made several television appearances, some of which can still be viewed in varying degrees of quality, on YouTube.

The breakthrough, though, was with the release of Foxtrot in 1972, featuring at its heart a sprawling epic on the second side, Supper’s Ready, with its patchwork of differing ideas and tunes brought together to stunning effect and, literally, Biblical epoch. On the resulting tour, the stage costumes and theatrical persona of Gabriel began to take shape. He caused no end of controversy in Eire when he leapt onto the stage in a lady’s dress and fox head, a la the stunning album cover drawn by Paul Whitehead. An old man’s mask was worn to frightening effect in the closing stages of Nursery Cryme, telling the story of a love unrequited, and unfulfilled. The mask of the Magog in the Suppers Ready passage Apocalypse in 9/8 was distinctly creepy and dark, whilst the flower head in The Guaranteed Eternal Sanctuary Man was simply silly. A Genesis gig at this time was becoming an event, visual as well as oral, and it is fair to say that the oral side was becoming more and more accomplished.

The follow-up, Selling England by the Pound, consolidated the progress made, and even spawned a hit single in I Know What I Like. Highly recommended for those wishing to get a flavour of the live act in this period is the initial Archive (1967-1975) boxset release of 1998, which has a 1973 set from The Rainbow theatre. The first two CD’s of this boxset have the entire live performance (barring the denouement, It, which was lost, and subsequently re-recorded by the band in the studio) of the subsequent album release, the sprawling Lamb Lies Down on Broadway, a double concept album released in 1974 about a Puerto Rican youth living in New York with dual personality issues.

The Lamb was incredibly adventurous, and remains a firm progressive rock favourite to this day. However, it marked the end of the “classic” line-up of the band, and the strains had begun to show even before Gabriel announced to the press in a statement that he was leaving. Banks has subsequently gone on record to state he never really “got” the concept of the album, the costumes worn by Gabriel, in particular the Slipperman bubble suit, were thought by his bandmates to be becoming a real distraction to the music, and the recording of the album itself was marred by Gabriel’s first child almost dying after birth, and the not altogether sympathetic reaction of the remainder did not go down well.

Upon the news becoming public, Melody Maker printed a front cover proclaiming “The death of Genesis”, but they, and the wider music community, had not reckoned with the sheer stubbornness of the remainder of the band. Auditions began for a new lead singer, including, amusingly, one Nick Lowe, who went on to become a darling of the post punk New Wave scene. Eventually, the band decided that they already had a replacement in house in the form of their drummer. A commercial rock behemoth was born. In the subsequent live period, Bill Bruford, formerly of Yes & King Crimson, guested on drums, but he refused a permanent live role, and was replaced by Chester Thompson of The Weather Report and Frank Zappa for all live work to significant effect, in tandem with Collins on instrumental passages.

The four-piece band released, in what is known as the “middle period”, two albums, both of which still retain massive affection in the progressive rock world in terms of the symphonic excellence demonstrated on Trick of the Tail (said to be the late Princess Diana’s favourite album) and Wind & Wuthering. There was, though, a chilly wind blowing. Punk was born in this period, its spittle fuelled violence spewing against all things prog, and Hackett was becoming disenchanted with the direction the band were taking musically. The remaining three tried to provide additional song-writing credits to Hackett on Wind & Wuthering, but to no avail, and, in 1977, he left to pursue an eclectic solo career, taking with him songs he felt had been unfairly rejected by the band. A subsequent interview with the band (Genesis: Together & Apart) in 2014 showed that the tensions of this split still ran deep, certainly as far as Banks was concerned. The double album Seconds Out does, though, capture the incredible live experience of this time and line-up extremely well. For live duties, Hackett was replaced by Daryl Stuermer (who also played bass guitar on the later penned tracks to Rutherford’s lead guitar), who had recorded with Jean-Luc Ponty.

The remaining three doggedly continued, and, thus, the later period of the band started. Each release, starting with And Then There Were Three in 1978, and culminating in We Can’t Dance in 1991, sold more than the previous work, and each tour saw the band playing to ever larger audiences and stadia. They became huge, began to specifically write, and have, hit singles, and there is still much controversy in the progressive rock community as to the direction taken, specifically with most of the vitriol being directed at one Mr Collins, who, after the release of his debut solo album, Face Value, which included tracks rejected by the band in the rehearsals for Duke, became probably the most unlikely superstar in music in the history of unlikely superstars. Numerous interviews with the band have demonstrated the unfairness of this vitriol. Both Rutherford & Banks have made it clear that all the material written for much of Duke, and all albums after Abacab, were group material, born of jamming ideas and gelling them together at their custom-made studio. Banks is on record as stating that, although his preference musically was for the longer pieces, it was certainly extremely pleasant, not to say lucrative, to have hit singles.

All the albums of this period included recognisably progressive tracks, and some famous sprawling epics, and the live shows were careful to include such favourites for the older fans, who were now joined by persons of the female form not previously seen at a Genesis show. In truth, the band became what could be deemed a progressive pop/rock outfit, or “Crossover Prog” as it is termed on this site. Whether one loves, or hates, this (and opinion is certainly still split), nobody could deny not just the success it brought, but the fact that the musicianship was still never less than superb. Many fans were also introduced to the more symphonic past of the band because of the later works, thus serving as a good introduction to the history of progressive rock.

It didn’t last. In 1996, Collins left to concentrate on his stellar career in music, television, and films. Nick Mason, of Pink Floyd, was, though, to later remark, on being asked how bands should break up,  “Genesis. I wish we could have broken up like Genesis”, i.e. on the best of terms.

Banks & Rutherford, the latter despite a successful act, Mike & The Mechanics, decided to carry on, and recruited as lead singer Ray Wilson, who had had a small measure of success with Stiltskin. The resulting album, Calling All Stations, released in 1997, did not exactly bomb, but it was, perhaps unfairly, not a critical success, and certainly did not sell anywhere near as well as its predecessor albums. Live, they were now playing venues the size of Manchester Indoor Arena, whereas with Collins, it was venues the size of Wembley Stadium. Banks & Rutherford, who had signed Wilson on a two-year deal, called it a day.

In 2007, Collins, Rutherford, and Banks, with Thompson and Stuermer back on board live, embarked on a hugely successful reunion tour, without any album to promote. It proved, beyond all doubt, that there was only one line-up the wider public would flock to see.

That, compilation albums and anthology interviews aside, was the last Genesis activity as this bio is written. Rumours continue to persist, however, of plans for one last reunion tour, although whether Gabriel, at the age of 67 would want to prance around the stage playing a 20-odd year-old Puerto Rican punk is another matter.

Genesis, all iterations of Genesis, are simply essential progressive rock. It is a fair summary to state that no student of the genre could possibly ignore the history and music of this seminal act.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Quinino Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 21 2017 at 11:00
Laz rules ! ...  some little part of the day, it seems (hahaha)
Thanks, mate, I''ll cater to it later this evening.

EDIT: And done  (with a few links) -  terrific job Laz, I must say


Edited by Quinino - December 21 2017 at 14:57
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^ absolutely superb summation of GENESIS, Steve
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