Did Rush influence Prog Metal?

Atavachron wrote: Sample clips ?   C'mon, be serious.   The "sample clips" are called albums and you can listen for yourself.   I think you can even listen to them on the computer.

What's your beef with the Rodler boys, Steve?

Edited by verslibre - October 08 2020 at 12:46

verslibre wrote: AFlowerKingCrimson wrote: And I knew you would respond. I saw that coming a mile away.  Trust me I'm not losing any sleep over it. I just can't believe you don't hear any fusion in their music or maybe just not enough to qualify them as prog fusion like I do. Anyway, even jazz music archives has them as jazz related rock although I hear more fusion in them than jazz. For me Chicago or Steely Dan are much better examples of jazz related rock but I suppose it's something. Yeah, I responded to you, because it seemed necessary to clarify what I meant. Let's move on.

It had been years since I last listened to happy the Man, but refreshed myself with some music and do have a recollection of the music,

Jut a note from someone who was on the Eclectic team, it wasn't just about being eclectic (Prog is commonly eclectic and Prog commonly fuses styles) but about crossing core prog categories such as JRF (or just jazz) and Symphonic Prog. If it leaned very much to one and not the other, then we would tend to suggest for the other category. Ping-ponging can get annoying, so I'm rather like if it seems to fit reasonably well, then yes for the category it's currently being evaluated for. Evaluations are time consuming and we are all volunteers. Of course we would also try to compare one with other acts in the categories and take the listed influences into consideration.

In the case of Happy the Man, I could see it as crossing Symph and jazz-rock with Art Rock qualities (Eclectic split from the old Art Rock category) - if more poppy then it would fit Crossover. It hasn't struck me as jazz enough for JRF or to fit very well with other acts in the category. I would sooner liken it to Camel (on Crafty Hands) than, say, Weather Report, but that may well depend on the album. I think it would appeal more to fans of Symph generally and fans of kinds of Eclectic Prog than ones who are mostly into JRF on the whole, and I also think its more typically Prog (despite any uniqueness) than a lot of JRF which various Prog purists would balk at for including under the Progressive Rock banner (and I'm not talking things like Kind of Blue since that is not JRF at all, but say, electric Miles or even Mwandishi era Hancock -- y'know, the good stuff ;) ). As some have said, JRF was pretty much made for Mahavishnu Orchestra, but I digress....

That said, if you think it fits well the JRF parameters, you can notify that team members (say by PM), or make a thread on it if you want. Both the Eclectic prog and JRF teams would have to agree to a move, and suggested moves are not a priority. I've suggested a couple things to be moved over the years and have had success by talking to the team members (PMs making the case can help). But its important to build a strong case and show a deep understanding of how the categories operate. If one can cite plenty of related bands in the category you want it moved to, that helps.

Ideally this site would use multi-labels for albums and not just place a band with its whole discography in one category (and multi-labels for bands). A lot in PA can fit different categories.

Edited by Logan - October 08 2020 at 13:30

verslibre wrote: It's not up to me, but I think HTM is fine where they're at. I just played some tracks from both the debut and Crafty Hands. Eclectic is exactly that, and it's not a disparaging tag. They're not JRF.

Edited by AFlowerKingCrimson - October 08 2020 at 13:37

verslibre wrote: It's not up to me, but I think HTM is fine where they're at. I just played some tracks from both the debut and Crafty Hands. Eclectic is exactly that, and it's not a disparaging tag. They're not JRF.

I agree, and would be very surprised if the JRF team was willing to take it on, but if AFKC is passionate about its placement and thinks he has a solid case, of course then it's up to him if he wants to present it to the Eclectic Prog and JRF teams.

Edited by Logan - October 08 2020 at 13:39

verslibre wrote: AFlowerKingCrimson wrote: verslibre wrote: It's not up to me, but I think HTM is fine where they're at. I just played some tracks from both the debut and Crafty Hands. Eclectic is exactly that, and it's not a disparaging tag. They're not JRF. You won't even admit they at least have fusion elements or moments which is just insane.  I never said one way or the other, did I? You're so predictable.

Logan wrote: verslibre wrote: It's not up to me, but I think HTM is fine where they're at. I just played some tracks from both the debut and Crafty Hands. Eclectic is exactly that, and it's not a disparaging tag. They're not JRF. I agree, and would be very surprised if the JRF team was willing to take it on, but if AFKC is passionate about its placement and thinks he has a solid case, of course then it's up to him if he wants to present it to the Eclectic Prog and JRF teams.

AFlowerKingCrimson wrote: verslibre wrote: AFlowerKingCrimson wrote: Anyway, I thought we moved on.   We HAD, Ace of Edits!  I wasn't replying to you. This is a football team and not a tennis match. Get with the program.

verslibre wrote: Logan wrote: verslibre wrote: It's not up to me, but I think HTM is fine where they're at. I just played some tracks from both the debut and Crafty Hands. Eclectic is exactly that, and it's not a disparaging tag. They're not JRF. I agree, and would be very surprised if the JRF team was willing to take it on, but if AFKC is passionate about its placement and thinks he has a solid case, of course then it's up to him if he wants to present it to the Eclectic Prog and JRF teams. AKFC has his work cut out for him. Good thing he works from home!

AFlowerKingCrimson wrote: Nah, I tried once to get echolyn in eclectic but it didn't fly so I'm done with that kind of endeavor.