I Will Not Go Quietly!

markIhatedark wrote: Far from it my friend! This website wouldn't even exist if wasn't for our culture. Ever heard of Jazz and Blues? Where the hell do you think Prog originated from? Just classical music? Give me a break!

A break from reading properly?

I didnt say that the USA had no culture! I said that you dont!

marktheshark wrote: Tony R wrote: The Doctor wrote: Tony R wrote: The Doctor wrote: Tony R wrote: marktheshark wrote: Tony R wrote: The Doctor wrote: As to your question about the "innocent" Iraqis killed in the war, I have a question for you.  Why would you ask a question you already know the answer to?  So that's a "No" then,is it? Your placing of " " around "innocent" is very worrying...... You know Tony, I usually don't after the personal traits of any opponent in a debate but your stereotyping is so blatant it just boggles my head. You assume anybody who owns a gun is uncivilised. You assume anybody who lives in the South here is a racist. Need I remind you that the Rodney King fiasco occured in L.A.? This isn't the 50s or 60s anymore. George Wallace is long gone and the Klan, although still around with chapters all over the U.S. has lost most of their grip. Sure there's still racism here, but it's not just confined to the South. And it's not on the massive systematic level it used to be. With all the stereotyping you do, I just wonder who's prejudice here. My "stereotyping" was merely to make a point without labouring it.I do not assume that everyone who owns a gun is uncivilised,I believe it unreservedly. So,MTS,gun ownership is a sign of being civilised,and racism is but an embarrassing blip in the history of your nation.Whatever! MTS wrote: Sure there's still racism here, but it's not just confined to the South. And it's not on the massive systematic level it used to be. That's your idea of a clincher,is it?       Please stop whining about racism in the U.S.  The U.S. has not had a stellar history of racial relations.  However, nowadays, it is just as likely for the blacks in this country to be racist as it is for whites.  There is racism on both sides, and so long as people keep whining about racism, it's not going to get any better.  There is no longer the systematic discrimination against blacks that there was in the past, and now their lot in life is as much up to them as it is to us whites.  If they decide to "thug out" and commit crimes, it's not racism which puts them in jail, it's their own uncivilized behavior.  If they decide to have multiple babies instead of working, it's not racism that makes them poor, it's their own irresponsibility.  I do not mean this as a slam on all black people in our country.  As there are many, the majority I would say, who are fine, upstanding, productive citizens.  But I get tired of hearing how it's the fault of whites for the predicament of those blacks who are not fine, upstanding, productive citizens. That whole diatribe is so f**king ignorant that it defies belief. Is that because you do not believe that blacks are capable of being fine, upstanding, productive citizens who are capable of pulling their own weight and acting civilized and responsible?  Therefore, blacks must be coddled and given special preferences, and those whites who expect them to take care of themselves and act like human beings are racist?  That's the only possible reason that I can see that my "diatribe" defies belief for you. No,it is because you do not believe that! In your mind black equates to either "inferior" or "social welfare abuse". The very fact that you find it necessary to refer to blacks being able to be "fine,upstanding,productive citizens" shows what kind of completely patronising,dangerous,racist idiot you really are! You are so inherently racist,you dont even understand what a crass question "those whites who expect them to take care of themselves and act like human beings are racist? " actually is. Do we really need your kind of narrow-minded bigotry on this forum? I think you should join Gleam on the White Supremacist site.   Doc, have you ever seen such twisted and bent logic in your life?!

You know Mark, unfortunately, I have seen that kind of twisted and bent logic.  Every time Tony opens his mouth.  Or any other ultra-liberal cry ass for that matter.

Tony:

A break from reading properly?

I didnt say that the USA had no culture! I said that you dont!


How do you figure that? Are you usually this judgemental? I've been a Jazz and Blues conousuer most of my life. I have a sheet music collection handed down from my father and expanded upon of some of the most rarest you've seen. Some going back to the likes of Scott Joplin, Jelly Roll Morton and Robert Johnston. I have almost all the Beatles hits along with some Elvis and Chuck Berry. So what do you know about me? Once again you're just making quick assumptions. So what don't you tell me about your individual cultural inclinations?

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Tony R wrote: The Doctor wrote: Tony R wrote: marktheshark wrote: Tony R wrote: If you are so sure that you are right,why dont you say the things you really want to say about the "blackman's lot" in modern America....   You're walking on a thin line on Maani's forum guidelines about respecting other culturals. Now I suggest you cool off! Yeah right! The Guidelines should prevent your kind of crypto-racist outpourings. Respect your culture? You haven't got any mate! Hit a bulls-eye,did I? Let's get back to arguing about music............ O.k  Tony, you are an obnoxious loudmouth who needs to grow up and stop attacking people just because they do not share your ultra-liberal viewpoint.  Ultra-liberal...me!!!!!!You wanna ask around the neighbourhood? Obnoxious loudmouth? You'll have to try harder than that! I've been kicked,punched,bitten (!),beaten with the butt of a shotgun,hit on the head with a whip,spat on,stamped on and kicked by horses,chased by hounds,threatened by every chinless wonder in the English Countryside,called a Communist,Fascist,Sexist,MCP and that's just by people who want to express their "freedom" to murder innocent wildlife.Just think what I'm prepared to endure to rid the world of racist,selfish,cowards like you.You are out of your league mate.

It's a real shame that after being kicked, punched, beaten with the butt of a shotgun and hit on the head with a whip, etc., etc., etc. that you're still breathing the same air as I.  Did it ever occur to you that the reason you've been kicked, punched, and on and on, is that you're a grade A A-hole that nobody can stand?

I meant "cultured" as in civilized,having refinement in taste and manners.

Not how many different Cds you've got!

 

The Doctor wrote: Tony R wrote: The Doctor wrote: Tony R wrote: marktheshark wrote: Tony R wrote: If you are so sure that you are right,why dont you say the things you really want to say about the "blackman's lot" in modern America....   You're walking on a thin line on Maani's forum guidelines about respecting other culturals. Now I suggest you cool off! Yeah right! The Guidelines should prevent your kind of crypto-racist outpourings. Respect your culture? You haven't got any mate! Hit a bulls-eye,did I? Let's get back to arguing about music............ O.k  Tony, you are an obnoxious loudmouth who needs to grow up and stop attacking people just because they do not share your ultra-liberal viewpoint.  Ultra-liberal...me!!!!!!You wanna ask around the neighbourhood? Obnoxious loudmouth? You'll have to try harder than that! I've been kicked,punched,bitten (!),beaten with the butt of a shotgun,hit on the head with a whip,spat on,stamped on and kicked by horses,chased by hounds,threatened by every chinless wonder in the English Countryside,called a Communist,Fascist,Sexist,MCP and that's just by people who want to express their "freedom" to murder innocent wildlife.Just think what I'm prepared to endure to rid the world of racist,selfish,cowards like you.You are out of your league mate. It's a real shame that after being kicked, punched, beaten with the butt of a shotgun and hit on the head with a whip, etc., etc., etc. that you're still breathing the same air as I.  Did it ever occur to you that the reason you've been kicked, punched, and on and on, is that you're a grade A A-hole that nobody can stand?

No I was being "kicked, punched, beaten with the butt of a shotgun and hit on the head with a whip, etc., etc., etc" because I was trying to protect something that couldnt protect itself.I was devoting my time to protesting a wrong and after many,many years the people of my country started to listen and the government changed the law.

If that's being an asshole in your opinion,well goody for you!

Tony R wrote: The Doctor wrote: Tony R wrote: The Doctor wrote: Tony R wrote: marktheshark wrote: Tony R wrote: If you are so sure that you are right,why dont you say the things you really want to say about the "blackman's lot" in modern America....   You're walking on a thin line on Maani's forum guidelines about respecting other culturals. Now I suggest you cool off! Yeah right! The Guidelines should prevent your kind of crypto-racist outpourings. Respect your culture? You haven't got any mate! Hit a bulls-eye,did I? Let's get back to arguing about music............ O.k  Tony, you are an obnoxious loudmouth who needs to grow up and stop attacking people just because they do not share your ultra-liberal viewpoint.  Ultra-liberal...me!!!!!!You wanna ask around the neighbourhood? Obnoxious loudmouth? You'll have to try harder than that! I've been kicked,punched,bitten (!),beaten with the butt of a shotgun,hit on the head with a whip,spat on,stamped on and kicked by horses,chased by hounds,threatened by every chinless wonder in the English Countryside,called a Communist,Fascist,Sexist,MCP and that's just by people who want to express their "freedom" to murder innocent wildlife.Just think what I'm prepared to endure to rid the world of racist,selfish,cowards like you.You are out of your league mate. It's a real shame that after being kicked, punched, beaten with the butt of a shotgun and hit on the head with a whip, etc., etc., etc. that you're still breathing the same air as I.  Did it ever occur to you that the reason you've been kicked, punched, and on and on, is that you're a grade A A-hole that nobody can stand? No I was being "kicked, punched, beaten with the butt of a shotgun and hit on the head with a whip, etc., etc., etc" because I was trying to protect something that couldnt protect itself.I was devoting my time to protesting a wrong and after many,many years the people of my country started to listen and the government changed the law. If that's being an asshole in your opinion,well goody for you!

So what were you protesting? Or do I even really want to know?

The Doctor wrote: Tony R wrote: The Doctor wrote: Tony R wrote: The Doctor wrote: Tony R wrote: marktheshark wrote: Tony R wrote: If you are so sure that you are right,why dont you say the things you really want to say about the "blackman's lot" in modern America....   You're walking on a thin line on Maani's forum guidelines about respecting other culturals. Now I suggest you cool off! Yeah right! The Guidelines should prevent your kind of crypto-racist outpourings. Respect your culture? You haven't got any mate! Hit a bulls-eye,did I? Let's get back to arguing about music............ O.k  Tony, you are an obnoxious loudmouth who needs to grow up and stop attacking people just because they do not share your ultra-liberal viewpoint.  Ultra-liberal...me!!!!!!You wanna ask around the neighbourhood? Obnoxious loudmouth? You'll have to try harder than that! I've been kicked,punched,bitten (!),beaten with the butt of a shotgun,hit on the head with a whip,spat on,stamped on and kicked by horses,chased by hounds,threatened by every chinless wonder in the English Countryside,called a Communist,Fascist,Sexist,MCP and that's just by people who want to express their "freedom" to murder innocent wildlife.Just think what I'm prepared to endure to rid the world of racist,selfish,cowards like you.You are out of your league mate. It's a real shame that after being kicked, punched, beaten with the butt of a shotgun and hit on the head with a whip, etc., etc., etc. that you're still breathing the same air as I.  Did it ever occur to you that the reason you've been kicked, punched, and on and on, is that you're a grade A A-hole that nobody can stand? No I was being "kicked, punched, beaten with the butt of a shotgun and hit on the head with a whip, etc., etc., etc" because I was trying to protect something that couldnt protect itself.I was devoting my time to protesting a wrong and after many,many years the people of my country started to listen and the government changed the law. If that's being an asshole in your opinion,well goody for you! So what were you protesting? Or do I even really want to know?

Well it was Headline News for quite a long time and I know that CNN and NBC News covered it.Oh,I forgot,your interest in the outside world begins and ends with whichever country the US is bombing at any given time.

Tony R wrote: The Doctor wrote: marktheshark wrote: The Doctor wrote: Tony R wrote: The Doctor wrote: Tony R wrote: [QUOTE=marktheshark] [QUOTE=Tony R] If you are so sure that you are right,why dont you say the things you really want to say about the "blackman's lot" in modern America.... Yeah right! The Guidelines should prevent your kind of crypto-racist outpourings. Respect your culture? You haven't got any mate! Hit a bulls-eye,did I? Let's get back to arguing about music............ O.k  Tony, you are an obnoxious loudmouth who needs to grow up and stop attacking people just because they do not share your ultra-liberal viewpoint.  Ultra-liberal...me!!!!!! Obnoxious loudmouth? You'll have to try harder than that! I've been kicked,punched,bitten (!),beaten with the butt of a shotgun,hit on the head with a whip,spat on,stamped on and kicked by horses,chased by hounds,threatened by every chinless wonder in the English Countryside,called a Communist,Fascist,Sexist,MCP and that's just by people who want to express their "freedom" to murder innocent wildlife.Just think what I'm prepared to endure to rid the world of racist,selfish,cowards like you.You are out of your league mate. It's a real shame that after being kicked, punched, beaten with the butt of a shotgun and hit on the head with a whip, etc., etc., etc. that you're still breathing the same air as I.  Did it ever occur to you that the reason you've been kicked, punched, and on and on, is that you're a grade A A-hole that nobody can stand? C'mon Doc let's eaze-off the insults. Just exactly what did you do Tony to get this kind of "treatment"? I mean it takes 2 to tango! You must've done something. Sorry, Mark...I'll cool it.  He just is so self-righteous and annoying and after he called me an idiot and a racist, I sort of lost my temper.  I have it under control again and will not let his pathetic attempts to insult me lead me to respond in kind. I'm not insulting you! I'm trying to shake you awake! Do you think I'm taking the easy option by discussing this with you? Do you think I want you to think I am a "loudmouth asshole" for the fun of it? Or maybe,just maybe,I have the bollocks to stand up and question your "beliefs" in the hope that if I cant change them,then at least you will realise that somebody out there is prepared to chastise you for your mental lethargy.

So then give me your point of view and let me analyze it from a logical viewpoint.  I think that approach to political debate works much better than attacking your opponent as being an idiot and a racist.  It is an approach I try to take, well except for just now, and it may not always swing my opponent to my way of thinking, but it is a much more civilized way to debate.  Wouldn't you agree? 

So tell me.  What are your gripes about the way whites treat blacks in America?  Why do you think it is o.k. for blacks to be angry and hate whites, but not the other way around?  Why do blacks need special treatment?  Are they not capable of taking care of themselves?  Are they not intelligent human beings who are capable of rational thought and behavior? By the way, I never, ever said or intended to imply that they as a race were not.  What are your solutions for racial harmony in the U.S.?  And I am not asking these questions to be sarcastic, I am generally interested in what you have to say on the matter, that is, if you can refrain from being insulting in the process.

 

Tony R wrote: The Doctor wrote: So tell me.  What are your gripes about the way whites treat blacks in America?  Why do you think it is o.k. for blacks to be angry and hate whites, but not the other way around?  Why do blacks need special treatment?  Are they not capable of taking care of themselves?  Are they not intelligent human beings who are capable of rational thought and behavior? By the way, I never, ever said or intended to imply that they as a race were not.  What are your solutions for racial harmony in the U.S.?  And I am not asking these questions to be sarcastic, I am generally interested in what you have to say on the matter, that is, if you can refrain from being insulting in the process. You just do not get it do you? Those questions are irrelevent to my issues with you! My objections are with the sentiment behind what you are expressing.The underlying motives for the way you write what you write.I have no wish to sit here whilst you play Devil's Advocate to yourself.

The underlying motive for the way I write what I write is that I am expressing my opinion on political matters that affect me and others in this country.  The problem is I don't think you have any real arguments at all.  You have chosen a side, the far left, and anything that is against the views of the far left causes a knee jerk reaction in you to attack and insult the source of those opposing views.  In all of the posts that I have seen of yours, I have not once seen a well thought out and well-written commentary on anything.  It's generally just attacks on others, and when someone questions you to lay your views out on the table, you have nothing to say, except those questions are irrelevant. 

Even though I don't usually agree with them, at least Maani and James have actual things to say about relevant issues and put in some time and thought in expressing them.  You just sit back and attack whatever isn't to the far left without providing any clue as to what your opinions are.  I suspect that is because you do not really have any opinions, except to follow along in the far left camp, maybe because your parents are to the far left, or your friends are on the far left, or your girlfriend or whatever.  And you really have no opinions, beliefs, facts or anything else to back up your position.