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jampa17
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Posted: June 09 2010 at 09:59 |
Hey Mike, do you believe in love...? I think that is fundamental to "Understand" why God exists...
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Change the program inside... Stay in silence is a crime.
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Epignosis
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Posted: June 09 2010 at 09:59 |
James wrote:
Because you're not able to answer?
Thought so.
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: June 09 2010 at 10:31 |
That's not smug if you cannot answer it.
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Epignosis
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Posted: June 09 2010 at 10:40 |
James wrote:
That's not smug if you cannot answer it.
| I can. I choose not to bother.
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: June 09 2010 at 10:43 |
If you bothered, then you'd get me off your back. At the moment, I just think you cannot answer it.
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Epignosis
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Posted: June 09 2010 at 10:46 |
James wrote:
If you bothered, then you'd get me off your back. At the moment, I just think you cannot answer it.
| You think a lot of things. I will leave you to them.
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The T
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Posted: June 09 2010 at 10:54 |
I see, on one side of this thread, people that almost seem fanatics, trying to change other people's minds, trying to make them see that their way is the only way, that they are right and the others are wrong, that their beliefs are the only reasonable ones.
On the other side I see believers like Robert.
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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: June 09 2010 at 11:01 |
Epignosis wrote:
Mr ProgFreak wrote:
^ Can you name any fact that I'm biased against?I'll gladly admit that I'm biased against the Christian faith ... and I believe that I have some very good reasons for that. The important thing is that I'm pretty sure that you can't give me good reasons that challenge my position ... arguments that would trump my own arguments for holding the position.
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I am not interested in challenging your position. You are entitled to it.
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As you are to your position. However, it's not like you haven't made any claims about my position that I might consider offensive or at least challenging. It's clear that you disagree with me - The T may be right that my stance is sometimes too aggressive, but on the other hand I don't see much point in having a position and not arguing for it. I think the issue of religion is rather important, it's clearly not a minor thing.
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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: June 09 2010 at 11:04 |
jampa17 wrote:
Hey Mike, do you believe in love...? I think that is fundamental to "Understand" why God exists... |
Yes I do, but I don't think that love is what the Christian God is all about. I'm sure that many Christians feel like love is the essence of Christianity, but God is also vindictive and cruel. Your loving father can send you right to hell without pity or remorse, should you choose to follow the wrong prophet. He will also let you suffer in this life, no matter how much you pray. I believe in love, but I also believe that it's a concept that's not tied to religion.
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AtomicCrimsonRush
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Posted: June 09 2010 at 11:07 |
It is no point arguing about religion you can never win - you either believe or dont - your choice - I do believe and nothing anyone will say will change that so whats the point of arguing. Until you are given a revelation of Gods love its pointless to think you will change your views. It has to be revealed to you in some way or you will never believe.
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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: June 09 2010 at 11:12 |
^ Such revelations can be tricks of the brain ... I already mentioned that somewhere, there's an area that, when properly stimulated, can trigger such experiences. I think it's called the "God Module" of the brain.
Of course I know that a rational discussion will not cause someone to stop believing. Such a change rarely occurs, and if it does it usually comes from within. I'll only say: "never say never". IMO you shouldn't be so determined that you'll never change your mind no matter what ... I will always try to remain open for new evidence.
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AtomicCrimsonRush
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Posted: June 09 2010 at 11:22 |
^ As far as belief in God is concerned I will never change my mind there. It is ingrained deep within me and I have experienced some incredible things when i was on a missionary trip - things that would astound you if you were there. but I dont need evidence I knwo that i know and that should be celebrated not shunned. i see many pple on this thread trying to impress their popinions intellectually and its futile as God is interested in the heart not the intellect. You gove youtr HEART to him not your INTELLECT. I have met many educated fools with hearts of stone, but it is those with a soft heart towards God that make the decison to follow him and if you harden your heart nothing can break through until a revealing of Gods love is made. I used to be like you once i know it. And i was dead against religion or Christianity but i was an educated fool, when i opened my heart to God he came into my life and life was beautiful. darkness became light - it is my testimony and it is real. and it is beautiful thing and it changed my life. I love God and i will never leave Him asd He will never leave Him. its not delusional its a relationship. i preached this message this Sunday would you believe about the lost as i was speaking at my church, it was a powerful time.
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: June 09 2010 at 11:24 |
I'm certainly not trying to convert Rob in any way. I am just trying to get him to answer Mike's query, that's all.
I really have no issue with religious people. I can see perfectly why they want to believe in a God. I don't have an issue with that. I respect Rob a lot for sticking to his beliefs, actually. Fair play to him, I say.
I just don't believe in it, that's all.
Nobody is trying to win.
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AtomicCrimsonRush
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Posted: June 09 2010 at 11:29 |
OK fair enough i am glad you see it that way
Edited by AtomicCrimsonRush - June 09 2010 at 11:32
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Failcore
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Posted: June 09 2010 at 11:53 |
Person A: I believe strongly in my views. Person B: Your views are wrong. Person A: Oh, I see now, the gross error of my ways. Thanks person B! Person B: *quietly to self* Yes, I have assimilated another! I win the game!
Seriously, why does every forum have these kinds of threads. Does anyone actually believe there is even the slightest chance of the above scenario?
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Finnforest
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Posted: June 09 2010 at 12:05 |
Deathrabbit wrote:
Person A: I believe strongly in my views.
Person B: Your views are wrong.
Person A: Oh, I see now, the gross error of my ways. Thanks person B!
Person B: *quietly to self* Yes, I have assimilated another! I win the game!
Seriously, why does every forum have these kinds of threads. Does anyone actually believe there is even the slightest chance of the above scenario? |
You assume the end game must be to convince other people of your views. This is a chat forum. Perhaps people just like to chat, to have a discussion, or to debate points of view. Some people enjoy talking about religion and politics. There does not have to be a winner.
If you're not interested in a topic, just scroll on by. 
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...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell"
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The T
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Posted: June 09 2010 at 12:15 |
^I agree with that. But the persistence of people to try to make others justify their views borders on the fanatical...
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Epignosis
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Posted: June 09 2010 at 12:20 |
I don't try to convince anyone to believe in God, and I don't wish to argue about whether or not God exists. All I ever do is comment when an issue of biblical interpretation arises.
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The T
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Posted: June 09 2010 at 12:24 |
^As you can see in my post before the last one, you'll see I was never saying you are trying to convince others Robert....  Actually, those who believe the same thing I do (which is, doubt) are, or appear to be doing that...
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Epignosis
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Posted: June 09 2010 at 12:28 |
The T wrote:
^As you can see in my post before the last one, you'll see I was never saying you are trying to convince others Robert.... Actually, those who believe the same thing I do (which is, doubt) are, or appear to be doing that... | We stick to the political head butting.
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