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Points: 12818 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2008 at 05:12
Originally posted by James James wrote:

Did I mention that The Wrong Object's website has some freely downloadable live tracks on it?

I didn't did I?

Well I just did.

Definitely worth checking out, especially:

King Kong
Seven for Lee (both versions)
The Unbelievable Truth

Thanks for the tip wrt the live downloads - will certainly check out King Kong.
 
 
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That is a terrific live album, Dick.  It has a rare outing of Holdsworth on violin too.

It's an album I've actually reviewed too, so check that out if you like, I think I 4/5 starred it, or I may have 5/5 starred, I cannot quite remember.

I am hoping those The Wrong Object tracks are still there, they were the last time I looked.  King Kong is indeed fantastic.  There's also two versions of Seven for Lee, but I think maybe the Elton Dean ones may have been removed, because of the release of The Unbelievable Truth.

Annie Whitehead has also worked with them, I gather.
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Originally posted by James James wrote:

That is a terrific live album, Dick.  It has a rare outing of Holdsworth on violin too.

It's an album I've actually reviewed too, so check that out if you like, I think I 4/5 starred it, or I may have 5/5 starred, I cannot quite remember.

I am hoping those The Wrong Object tracks are still there, they were the last time I looked.  King Kong is indeed fantastic.  There's also two versions of Seven for Lee, but I think maybe the Elton Dean ones may have been removed, because of the release of The Unbelievable Truth.

Annie Whitehead has also worked with them, I gather.
 
I like her trombone!!! And her work producing the Soupsong recorded concert
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Looked at your playlist, James....how do you like Kew Rhone?
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I wasn't sure about it to be honest.

The music was great, but I really don't like Broadway and/or Bernstein style vocals and that's what I got from this.

The last few tracks were great though.  I even read Chris' review to see if it inspired me and it has in a way, so I'm going to give it another listen.  The lyrics were great, it's just the delivery.


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Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

I did pick up Rock Bottom and I enjoyed it, though I do need to play it more.  I'll try giving it some plays at work tomorrow.  Don't have any Matching Mole yet, but I'll try and put that on the list - still need to grab some Picchio dal Pozzo and The Muffins, among other things.
 
Logan - do keep posting here!  James, if you're reading this, we'd like to hear from you as well as you are a big fan of Canterbury and Robert Wyatt in particular.  Otherwise I guess it's Dylan and I carrying the torch LOL  but I'd like this thread to be more than a dialogue between the two of us!  There are certainly several people here much more knowledgeable about this scene than I am.
 
Although right now I am currently celebrating my success about beating Guitar Hero III on easy level.  LOL


I do have an extensive Canterbury collection, but like with the Avant thread (more-so there), sometimes I feel a little overwhelmed.  Especially in recent months, my acquisitions have become a trickle (which has been good in a way since it's given me a chance to revisit many albums that I hadn't listened to/ let sunk in enough before).

Avant RiO/ Zeuhl/ Canterbury/ much Kraut = bliss
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Originally posted by James James wrote:

I wasn't sure about it to be honest.

The music was great, but I really don't like Broadway and/or Bernstein style vocals and that's what I got from this.


Definitely a theatrical component here - my wife's incessant playing of musical soundtracks apparently has prepared me well LOL
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Haven't you heard it yet?  I thought you had.

As I said, musically it's superb, lyrically it's great, yet vocally I was disappointed.  I kept being reminded of Bernstein (not Elmer).
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Yes - I've been playing it every day for a week.  Did I somehow imply otherwise?
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I like musicals, so it helps.  Not Canterbury, but I do recommend U Totem to those who can enjoy a "musical" element, and Pascal Duffard's Dieu est Fou as a rock opera, which I sort of see as an avant French answer to Jesus Christ Superstar.
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I misread your comment, my apologies.

Ah, well you've had more listens than I have, so I'm quick to judge.  The last two tracks I loved (the avant quotient was high too).

It does sound like Broadway, doesn't it?  It's not just my imagination?

I just am not over keen on Musicals or Broadway productions, to be honest.
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Originally posted by James James wrote:



It does sound like Broadway, doesn't it?  It's not just my imagination?



No, you are certainly correct in that there is a high "Broadway" element in the vocal delivery.  I would imagine the album would be tough to take if that style is big turn-off.  One wonders if Greaves et. al. enjoyed or were at all influenced by someone like Stephen Sondheim - the wife and I recently were watching a performance of Company on PBS so something like that popped into my head the first time I heard Kew. Rhone.
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It was America I thought of first.

I do like vocal theatrics, I just don't really get on with that Broadway sound so much.  I have never liked musicals really and I am only just starting to appreciate small doses of Opera (but only a very few).

There's no denying Lisa Herman's vocals skills though.  I still prefer Dagmar Krause though.
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Just arrived:  Egg's debut and The Civil Surface.  Thumbs%20Up

As well as Bells, Boots, and Shambles!  Clap  Very excited to hear this one*. 

* I know it's not Canterbury, but "Canterbury-related" counts here.  Wink
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Very good albums... Think I prefer St. Radigunds to Bells, Boots and Shambles, but both are very good.
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Points: 7991 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2008 at 22:47
Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:


Just arrived: As well as Bells, Boots, and Shambles!  Clap  Very excited to hear this one*.  * I know it's not Canterbury, but "Canterbury-related" counts here.  Wink


As you should be!

I really hope you're not disappointed with it, I love it to pieces.
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Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

Just arrived:  Egg's debut and The Civil Surface.  Thumbs%20Up

 
Great albums.
I got the 3 re-issued albums from Eclectic records not too long ago.
 
 
 
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Also just ordered:  Soft Heap and Henry Cow "In Praise of Learning".
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Originally posted by avestin avestin wrote:

Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

Just arrived:  Egg's debut and The Civil Surface.  Thumbs%20Up

 
Great albums.
I got the 3 re-issued albums from Eclectic records not too long ago.
 
 
 


Which reminds me, I still need to get The Civil Surface to go with Egg and The Polite Force, as well as Hatfield and the North's second collection of outtakes and stuff.

By the way, does anyone have Egg's The Metronomic Society and if so, is it worth getting?

Patrick, good going with the Soft Heap!  I need to get Soft Head at some point, but it's not so cheap.

Also, you maybe interested in this:


GOWEN, MILLER, SINCLAIR, TOMKINS - Before A Word Is Said, 1982 (Europa) [CD: Voiceprint'95]
Phil Miller (g) - Alan Gowen (kb) - Richard Sinclair (b/voc [1/7]) - Trevor Tomkins (d)
Rec: 25-27 Apr & 2-4 May 1981 - Loc: Alan Gowen's house, Tooting, London - Eng: Peter Ball - Pr: Jean-Pierre Weiller
Tracks: 1. Above & Below [PM] (7:41) - 2. Reflexes In The Margin [AG] (4:00) - 3. Nowadays A Silhouette [PM] (4:30) - 4. Silver Star [AG] (2:24) - 5. Fourfold [PM] (6:15) - 6. Before A Word Is Said [AG] (7:58) - 7. Umbrellas [RS] (3:54) - 8. A Fleeting Glance [PM] (7:33)




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By the way, Patrick, have you heard CEREBUS EFFECT?
Not Canterbury, but Dan Britton had this project sounding influenced by it. Acts of Deception, aside from being a great album, has some very cool touches of the said style, mingled with some heavier sides, making a sort of new sound for Canterbury if you will. Well worth looking into.
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