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    Posted: March 20 2007 at 18:34

I know lots of people hate the second lenghty part of Moonchild (no need to explain)... the real mystery is why did they record it! They were such good musicians... and they could do reasonable jams, live albums prove it.

Speaking for myself, they were actually trying ti annoy their listeners. Which is very prog, by the way. Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2007 at 18:38
To spite what was popular at the time, they chose to perform the polar opposite?
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2007 at 18:40
Most likely to represent the "Illusion" part of the song. But why they made it is unknown to me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2007 at 18:42
Or exploring instruments. I personally find it easy to hear a pattern there, it's not just random rambling to me. Well I see what's the hard part of it, but believe me, I'd probably rather listen to a whole album made the same way than Piper at the Gates of Dawn. I hoipe that clears out my opinion. That it's not just random rambling made to annoy people.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2007 at 18:45
Probably to estrange themselves even further from modern musicians - as if the rest of the album wasn't enough. They felt as if they had to show that music isn't just about making songs that are fun to listen to, but about coming up with original ideas (in this case, their idea was to...not have an idea!)

That, or they needed to full time on the album.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2007 at 18:49
I love the noise in moonchild.
One likes to believe
In the freedom of music
But glittering prizes
And endless Compromises
Shatter the illusion
Of integrity
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2007 at 19:05
Originally posted by Shakespeare Shakespeare wrote:

Probably to estrange themselves even further from modern musicians - as if the rest of the album wasn't enough. They felt as if they had to show that music isn't just about making songs that are fun to listen to, but about coming up with original ideas (in this case, their idea was to...not have an idea!)

That, or they needed to full time on the album.


"The song about NOTHING!!, everybody has songs about something, we have a song about NOTHING!!!" as George Costanza would put it. KC once again proving they were ahead of their time LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2007 at 19:19
Oh come on you can talk all the bollucks you want, but from what I read they just ran out of ideas.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2007 at 19:21
yep. if there's one thing you can say about king crimson it's that they were out of the ideas on their first album. lol
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2007 at 20:00
i think you have to understand that the late 60s were very different times to now, musically. The sky was the limit and KC were really trying to experiment. We're all too cynicall to appreichiate that now though. back then, innovative music was more than just "technically demanding solos". of course, now in the 21st century, peopl like music to be dead boring and all like is to see "progressive" bands impress them with solos, so no one is interested in moonchild, or the superb studio side of ummagumma, or any "progrock" thats any good. no wonder yes and rush carried on selling out stadiums long after art rock was deemed unfashionable, we just all decided that boring music was better than good, innovative, great music. the end 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2007 at 20:29
Do we still need to analyse a 1969 piece of music over some 38 years layer? overthinking can kill, you know!!!Angry
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2007 at 20:57
Because it sounds good? That would be the simplest answer.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2007 at 21:03
My theory on Moonchild?  They jammed a while, liked it, and decided to put it on their record, which needed about 7 minutes anyways.  

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2007 at 21:14
Originally posted by frippster frippster wrote:

Originally posted by Shakespeare Shakespeare wrote:

Probably to estrange themselves even further from modern musicians - as if the rest of the album wasn't enough. They felt as if they had to show that music isn't just about making songs that are fun to listen to, but about coming up with original ideas (in this case, their idea was to...not have an idea!)

That, or they needed to full time on the album.


"The song about NOTHING!!, everybody has songs about something, we have a song about NOTHING!!!" as George Costanza would put it. KC once again proving they were ahead of their time LOL

Man, I was gonna say that!!!LOLLOLLOLLOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2007 at 21:16
Its loses itself after about three minutes. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2007 at 21:38
Originally posted by febus febus wrote:

Do we still need to analyse a 1969 piece of music over some 38 years layer?
As long as it will be listened to, some people will still analyse it
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2007 at 22:03
you can hear their thoughts. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2007 at 22:11
Originally posted by Froth Froth wrote:

i think you have to understand that the late 60s were very different times to now, musically. The sky was the limit and KC were really trying to experiment. We're all too cynicall to appreichiate that now though. back then, innovative music was more than just "technically demanding solos". of course, now in the 21st century, peopl like music to be dead boring and all like is to see "progressive" bands impress them with solos, so no one is interested in moonchild, or the superb studio side of ummagumma, or any "progrock" thats any good. no wonder yes and rush carried on selling out stadiums long after art rock was deemed unfashionable, we just all decided that boring music was better than good, innovative, great music. the end 


Well there you go.  Someone who thinks Yes is boring but Moonchild isn't.  Truly every opinion is represented on ProgArchives.  I do agree with your first couple statements that what Moonchild is is experimentation, pure and simple.  Yes it's self-indulgent, but that's what most of us love about prog anyways.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2007 at 22:16
I have to listen to it now...

At first I hated the majority of "Moonchild"; the same for "Gates of Delirium". Things change. :D
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2007 at 22:45
They suddenly realized on the last night of their studio sessions their album was only 32 minutes long, so in the last 15 minutes they set up their instruments again and recorded something, even though they were really tired.
 
In your heart you know that's very close to the truth. :)


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