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    Posted: October 07 2006 at 01:01
Porcupine Tree/ProjecKt Six
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October 6, 2006
 
A truly bizarre show.  Robert Fripp and Adrian Belew opened the show with something called ProjecKt Six, with Fripp on his ever-present Les Paul in front of a bank of electronics, and Belew on...electronic drum kit!  Although Fripp was his usual brilliant self (occasionally hitting upon some truly masterful guitar work), Belew was - there is no other way to say this - horrible.  He is barely even adequate on drums, and even less so on electronic drums.  I am not stretching at all to say that if all Fripp wanted was some relatively interesting beats to play to, I (and probably other drummers in the audience) could have done far better than Belew - not even knowing how the drums were set!  Belew only had two beats; one slowish, the other sort of Mastellato-like (and, boy, would the set have benefitted from Mastellato's presence!).  The effect of the set was as if Belew was simply "getting his rocks off" on the drums, while Fripp "tolerated" him and played along.  To say that the overall effect was embarrassing is being kind.  And apparently much of the audience felt the same way, as many, many people were talking about it in words that make mine look like a rave.  I cannot imagine what was on Fripp's mind when he agreed to this; he opened solo for PT last year, and he was superb.  He should have done the same, or done some double guitar work with Belew.  What a let-down!!
 
However, PT more than made up for it.  Not only did they go on early (!), they were truly at their best.  As others have noted in their reviews, that first set consisted entirely of songs that will be on the next PT album, due out in Spring 2007.  And based on what they played, the album is going to be a monster!  At least as good as, if not better than, Deadwing.  There is one extended piece (another reviewer says "20 minutes," but I clocked it at 14) which is absolutely amazing.  Wilson made a droll comment before starting: "This song is really hard for us to play.  (Pause).  A walk in the park for Dream Theater, but difficult for us."  It was a nice touch.  And the composition does have at least two sections that one could imagine in a DT piece, complete with odd and shifting time signatures, and super-heavy bass, drums and guitar.  Another piece (as another reviewer remarked) opened like Zep's "No Quarter," but then went into a very Beatle-esque chord progression and arrangement, reminiscent of the stuff on Magical Mystery Tour.  Yet another composition had a seriously Zep-ish guitar riff with Bonham-esque drumming.  All but one of the songs were as good as anything I have heard by the band.  It really increased my anticipation for the next album.
 
The second set consisted of stuff from Deadwing (including Open Car, and the always amazing Arriving Somewhere But Not Here), In Absentia and Signify.  It was largely the same set they played last year at Town Hall in NYC, but the sound at Nokia is far better, so the set came across even better than it did before.  They closed with an encore of Trains, Blackest Eyes and Lazarus.
 
As noted, the Nokia Theater has excellent sound, and the light show was tasteful and appropriate.  The only downer is that the front and middle sections have no seats, so unless you want to sit pretty far back, you have to stand through the whole show.  Somehow, it's harder to do that the more people there are (Nokia holds about 2,200).  I was lucky and snagged the end of a railing on which I was able to perch for periods of time; otherwise, I think I might not have enjoyed the show as much.
 
PT continues to write and play some of the best prog and quasi-prog out there.  And although one can hear their various influences - a wide array that includes Pink Floyd, Zep, Crimson, DT, Beatles et al - they are able to channel those influences into something interesting, enjoyable, and often even compelling.  They continue to amaze, and I continue to be a fan.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2006 at 02:13
Excellent show
I agree about Belew's drumming what was he thinking? Fripp's guitar sounds made up for it.
I really enjoyed the new material and thought it forced Porcupine Tree to show a mellower side to their live show.
 
Few shots before they took my batteries which were dead anyway
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2006 at 10:48
^^ Great pictures.^^
 
I thought it was a exellent gig too. Tracks 2, 3, and 4 were my favorites, 'the beast' had to be my favorite though. I loved the intro to it just had this epic foreshadowing quality too it, and the super heavey middle instrumental peice, then mellow ending w/ the vocal hamonies to pull it all together - After It I was just in awe. Tracks 1, 5, 6 I couldn't really get into, although I'm not really good w/ new material so I have no right to complain.
 
Second set was excellent too the highlights for me were: Buying New Soul, Halo, TSOSB, 3. I thought ASBNH was slightly off, but still great. And what happened to Trains, did Steve break a sting or something. LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2006 at 11:07
Thanks Maani.

Let's hope the new album lives up to the hype.

Hightea,thanks for the pix..pity about the over-zealous security...what kind of recording did they think you could get on a digital camera?

Eric,for some reason Steve always breaks a string,its almost a cliche.

When the band go mega with the new album maybe he can stop buying "used" strings.....
    

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2006 at 13:10
^^LOL^^  At the gig I picked up the DVD, and today I watched it. About halfway through Trains Steve breaks a string...LOL... Oh well did not really hurt either show.
 
I also bought a SD shirt priced ridiculously high at 35$(!!! Shocked), and a size to big too. For some reason they only make larges. Nice shirt though a couple times through the wash and it will all be worth it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2006 at 13:27
Please see my independent report at my Live Journal page:

http://prog-squirrel.livejournal.com/19368.html?mode=reply
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2006 at 14:02
Quote They closed with an encore of Trains, Blackest Eyes and Lazarus.
 

I do believe you may be mistaken Maani,I dont remember them playing Lazarus...






admin edit...poster is being unecessarily obtuse,so I have amended post to show him how it can be done courteously.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2006 at 14:15
Originally posted by Arteum Arteum wrote:

Please see my independent report at my Live Journal page:

http://prog-squirrel.livejournal.com/19368.html?mode=reply
 
 
Nice Review, that line was long right. One gripe though.
 
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"Clearly, PT is becoming heavier and poppy, which is a big disappointment. Even at concerts, they don't like to play their old "psychodelic" songs such as those from the wonderful "Up The Downstair", "The Sky Moves Sideways" or "Signify" albums. I don't think the "prog" community is going to appreciate this new direction, aimed, I fear, at conquering the American mass culture market. Or maybe Steve is just fed up with all the comparisons to PINK FLOYD and he decided to stray from PF sound radically? Let's hope his excellent songwriting skills and musicanship will let him move on to yet another phase in PT development after he is sated with his successfull foray into the American market."
 
In my opinion the new stuff wasn't that poppy (Heavy though, probably on the same level as DW). I had to dig pretty deep to find a hook. And the reason I think they don't play stuff from there earlier years is because, they want to give the show a certain feel, and not a greatest hits set. And the show was to promote the new CD and the DVD so thats what they played.  Maybe when they're old and not pumping out CD's like they are now they'll play some of the older stuff. Thumbs Up
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2006 at 14:27

I definately don't think they're becoming a disappointment, as I enjoy the later albums equally as much as the earlier. However, I think the new songs could still use some work. I agree with what you said about "digging deep to find a hook". I loved the new long track, and thought the chorus was quite haunting, but the only thing I think could have been better is if they added an intense driving chord section after the build up. The build up is impressive, but I was expecting a breakout of complete insanity following it, you know? I enjoyed the new material though, and overall I think the band will continue to keep duds out of their discography.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2006 at 14:32
I dont think the somgs are the finished article yet...it seemed to me that some sections needed further development.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2006 at 14:40

I heard Wilson mention before they were writing the new music as they were touring, so I imagine what we heard last night isn't quite the same as the stuff people heard earlier in the tour. And I have faith that they will perfect all the music before it goes on the albums. I can't see PT being the type of band to put music on an album that doesn't quite feel complete.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2006 at 14:41
Originally posted by Fight Club Fight Club wrote:

I definately don't think they're becoming a disappointment, as I enjoy the later albums equally as much as the earlier. However, I think the new songs could still use some work. I agree with what you said about "digging deep to find a hook". I loved the new long track, and thought the chorus was quite haunting, but the only thing I think could have been better is if they added an intense driving chord section after the build up. The build up is impressive, but I was expecting a breakout of complete insanity following it, you know? I enjoyed the new material though, and overall I think the band will continue to keep duds out of their discography.

 
Hey FC I could have swore I saw you. You were wearing a black DSOTM, 1973 tour hooded sweat shirt, and were up in the seated area right. I was gonna say hello, but I didn't want to make a fool of myself...LOL
 
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2006 at 14:45
Originally posted by Gravity Eyelids Gravity Eyelids wrote:

 
Hey FC I could have swore I saw you. You were wearing a black DSOTM, 1973 tour hooded sweat shirt. You were up in the seated area right. I was gonna say high, but I din'dt want to make a fool of myself...LOL
 
 
 
Nah that wasn't me haha! I was wearing an tye dye Animals Pink Floyd t-shirt and was standing about 6-10 feet from the stage in the middle. I was also the one screaming Radioactive Toy at the top of my lungs towards the end of the show Tongue


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2006 at 15:16
Good thing I did not say hi then...LOL

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2006 at 15:29

Porcupine Tree was amazing.  Best Live show I have ever see, The lighting was stellar. 

Steve Wilson made a joke on their first set that the song was musically challenging and that for Dream Theater would make it look like a "walk in the park."
 
Projekt Six was a technical exercise for both Belew and Fripp, altogether, a pretentious display of musicanship. 
 
It was interesting to see the poeple who share the same interest as me on PA in a real setting. 
 
Next PT album will surely be amazing
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2006 at 15:30
Originally posted by Fight Club Fight Club wrote:

Quote They closed with an encore of Trains, Blackest Eyes and Lazarus.
 

I do believe you may be mistaken Maani,I dont remember them playing Lazarus...






admin edit...poster is being unecessarily obtuse,so I have amended post to show him how it can be done courteously.
 
The encore was "Blackest Eye" followed by "Halo"
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 07 2006 at 16:27
Originally posted by Asyte2c00 Asyte2c00 wrote:

Porcupine Tree was amazing.  Best Live show I have ever see, The lighting was stellar. 

Steve Wilson made a joke on their first set that the song was musically challenging and that for Dream Theater would make it look like a "walk in the park."
 
Projekt Six was a technical exercise for both Belew and Fripp, altogether, a pretentious display of musicanship. 
 
It was interesting to see the poeple who share the same interest as me on PA in a real setting. 
 
Next PT album will surely be amazing
 
 
 
Yeah I thought the lighting was incredibly impressive for a small venue.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2006 at 11:13
I saw the shows in both NYC on the 6th and Phlly on the 7th.  I agree with Maani about Belew.  Just horrible.  Even worse because I was on the rail, front centerstage.. and got the monitor feed which was a static electric drumkit.... :shudder:
 
Anyway PT were great... and I got quite a few good shots even tho the security guard stood in front of me and right in front of Steve Wilson all night. I took photos between my fingers, under my arms... atleast my camera requires no flash, but I had to crop lots of dregs (from that security guard) out of my pictures... Confused
 
The light show was only included in Boston and NYC.  They couldn't afford to keep it, so the Philly show wasn't as entertaining visually... but the sound was so much better, it didn't really matter. Even Fripp and Belew sounded better.. and Fripp actually smiled most of his time on stage.
 
 
 
 
 
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2006 at 19:09
Thanks to some for the correction re the encore: it was Halo, not Lazarus.
 
Also, I did forget to mention the wonderful lighting; as someone said, "especially for a small venue."  I also forgot to mention (as someone else did) the line outside - which was the most annoying part of the evening (though Belew's lousy electronic drumming came a very close second...LOL).
 
Sorry I don't know any of you (except threefates - hi there!) well enough to have recognized you.  And threefates: sorry I didn't see you either.  I was sitting on the railing of the staircase just to the right of the bassist.  Stayed there for most of the night.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2006 at 10:51
It was an excellent show. The sound was not as good as in Philly the following night, but that was to be expected. The lights were great, as were PT.

I agree that the P6 sound was not good - what they needed was a bass player. Belew was not just playing drums on the v-drums, but also the bass lines. What he was doing was technically clever, it just sounded pretty rotten, with the result being both drum and bass parts that sounded like they could have been programmed with little talent or effort. It was a shame to see him do something that was challenging to play, but uninteresting in result.

In Philadelphia, Belew improved and really pulled off the first of the tracks in particular, getting a pretty hypnotic bass & drum grove going. However, I still found myself in the audience appreciating what he was doing more than how it was sounding, and that's not ideal in my opinion. Fripp was even better in Philly too - even with the limitations of the exercise, there's a chemistry between Fripp and Belew and it was evident that night. And the smiles were precious. :)

It was great to go to both gigs for PT though - they were superb on both occasions. However, NYC won for lighting and crowd ambiance (due to the standing section of the house) while Philly won for sound and atmosphere (the band appeared more relaxed). Of the six new songs they played them all well both nights, but the edge went to NYC for the sixth, and a clear win in Philly with the fourth.
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