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Dan Bobrowski
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Posted: May 04 2004 at 16:47 |
 < kiss kiss
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Peter
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Posted: May 04 2004 at 17:12 |
danbo wrote:
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OK! Touche, old pal! Your pictures are worth 1000 of my words!
You know I'm joking, and that we need you here, oh baldie of 100,000 posts!
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy.
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Dan Bobrowski
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Posted: May 04 2004 at 17:38 |
Oh Peter,
If you do manage to put my smooth pate upon a pike and place it outside your fortress, either give me some shade or a healthy dollop of SPF45, I'm rather susceptible to sunburn.


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Peter
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Posted: May 04 2004 at 19:17 |
[QUOTE=danbo]
Oh Peter,
If you do manage to put my smooth pate upon a pike and place it outside your fortress, either give me some shade or a healthy dollop of SPF45, I'm rather susceptible to sunburn. /QUOTE]
Don't worry, oh hairless heartless fiend! To paraphrase spastic, shakey old Joe C., "I can leave your hat on." (Yes yes!)
Now, about that trivia question....
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy.
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Dan Bobrowski
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Posted: May 04 2004 at 19:21 |
Hey, don't RUSH me...
Umm How about an attachment for a key fob,
tie yer hankie too,
spare buttons- in case a needed one pops off,
ward off crazed EMUs,
percussionist designer, (clack clack..)
Sheesh..... Am I close, yet?
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Peter
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Posted: May 04 2004 at 20:25 |
Ha! You amuse me, little man!
No!
Nope!
Negatory!
Nyet!
Non!
Nein! NONE OF ZE ABUFF! 
(Cool Bears tune!)
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy.
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Jim Garten
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Posted: May 05 2004 at 05:10 |
To button recalcitrant children together in a chain?
To act as an ad-hoc abacus perhaps?
Charity box 'coins' to save money?
To act as a very small stone substitute in the event of finding a calm pond with no skimming materials nearby?
Imitation sweets to bribe small (dim) children to watch your carriage for you?
Or the obvious......
Cuff buttons are actually the remains of what used to be chain mail - essentially now for decoration only, but a swiftly raised cuff-buttoned arm could (in theory) ward off the point of an epee; indeed, over the years, this raised arm gesture actually evolved in what we now know as the salute......
Simple, eh?
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Peter
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Posted: May 05 2004 at 07:33 |
Jim Garten wrote:
To button recalcitrant children together in a chain?
To act as an ad-hoc abacus perhaps?
Charity box 'coins' to save money?
To act as a very small stone substitute in the event of finding a calm pond with no skimming materials nearby?
Imitation sweets to bribe small (dim) children to watch your carriage for you?
Or the obvious......
Cuff buttons are actually the remains of what used to be chain mail - essentially now for decoration only, but a swiftly raised cuff-buttoned arm could (in theory) ward off the point of an epee; indeed, over the years, this raised arm gesture actually evolved in what we now know as the salute......
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The last one is closer, but still no cigar.
Re the origins of the salute, there are two main theories:
1. When knights of olde met on the road, they would raise their helmet visors in order to make friendly and respectful eye-contact. This gesture becomes the salute.
2. The raised (empty) hand was a way to indicate that your weapon was not in hand (the other was on the reins) -- no evil intent.
I like the first one better.
Salut!
PS: In Victorian novels, to "salute" someone is to hug them!
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy.
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Dan Bobrowski
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Posted: May 05 2004 at 11:52 |
Okay, okay.... web used.
How about: Buttons were a status symbol. Men, scurilous creatures as we are, competed to see who could have the best, the largest or the most intricate buttons. It was a display of wealth and some were set with gem stones.
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Peter
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Posted: May 05 2004 at 19:27 |
 Nope! That may explain buttons, but why on cuffs, where they aren't needed?
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy.
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Dan Bobrowski
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Posted: May 05 2004 at 19:32 |
Crikey Peter, DDDDdddgggg.... I'll check back.....SOOOON. Gads.
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Posted: May 06 2004 at 00:12 |
Peter, Danbo et al:
Some corrections.
1. "God bless you." Peter is close, but Danbo is closer. The origin is based on the fact that our "life" is the "breath" of "God," breathed into us at birth. When we sneeze, we are temporarily "expelling" the "God" inside us, which provides a brief moment during which the "enemy" can indwell us. We say "God bless you" to cover this brief moment.
2. "F***." Peter is close, but the etymology is actually known, thanks largely to Shakespeare. It has been traced back to an early (pre-16th century) Italian demonstrative, "foccio." Although the "sexual" connection is unknown, "foccio" was used in the same way we use the f-word, and apparently meant largely the same thing.
3. The Salute. Peter's first reference was correct: the history of the salute has been clearly traced to the lifting of the visor on one's armor, which, due to its heaviness, required at least two or three fingers, if not the entire hand. Since it would be awkward to raise a visor with your palm (try making that motion...), it was done with the back of the hand, thus creating a "salute" when the visor was fully raised.
Here is a more musically oriented trivia question:
We have all been taught that Robert Moog "invented" the synthesizer. However, the original electronic schematics for what became the "Moog" synthesizer were not created by Robert Moog, but rather were given to him by someone else. Who? (No cheating please!)
Peace.
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Posted: May 06 2004 at 02:49 |
Hi Maani!
You are not citing your sources, so how are we to know that your authority beats mine? Your "corrections" remain alternate theories. Produce near-universally-accepted proof, and I will readily agree with your version(s). (I know, I don't cite all my sources either, but I do when I have them to hand.)
1. You say "life," my source says "soul." What is the real difference, especially if people in the Middle Ages thought that you couldn't live without a soul? Each answer represents an academic theory (and, perhaps, someone's retelling of that theory) -- barring time travel, where's the proof?
2. Again, what is your source for your definitive answer of 2? I gave mine-- a reputable authority, but still, not PROOF. Please supply the Shakespearean reference for "f*ck." How do you explain the 12th-century name (John Le F*cker)my Dictionary of W.O. cites? And who's to say the 15th C. Italians didn't get their word originally from the Vikings? (Germanic, again.)
3. Though we are in agreement, show me the time machine. Re the "back of the hand," when I raise the visor on my motorcycle helmet, I use my curved fingertips, palm toward face. How is the back of the hand better suited to any manipulative action? It makes no sense -- little grip, & less if clad in metal or leather!
I am careful to use words like "suggested," "assumed" and "according to" in these posts. Real "proof" of such matters often does not exist, and great debates rage on in the hallowed halls of academia. We can't even "prove" Shakespeare's authorship of all his plays, or his sexual orientation.
Whew! But I don't want to argue about things largely lost in the mists of time, least of all with you, # 2! (Perhaps you operate more in the realm of faith than I do.)

Now, how about the use of "Y" as a mid-word vowel in merry olde England? You guys are ignoring that one!
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Dan Bobrowski
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Posted: May 06 2004 at 16:02 |
Middle Dutch fokken = "to thrust, copulate with"; Norwegian dialect fukka = "to copulate"; and Swedish dialect focka = "to strike, push, copulate" and fock = "penis". Although German ficken may enter the picture somehow, it is problematic in having e-grade, or umlaut, where all the others have o-grade or zero-grade of the vowel.

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Dan Bobrowski
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Posted: May 06 2004 at 16:11 |
Peter Rideout wrote:
Nope! That may explain buttons, but why on cuffs, where they aren't needed? |
That's exactly it, they aren't needed, a sign of opulence.
OR
A class insignia
OR
Familial Designs for Nobles.

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Peter
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Posted: May 06 2004 at 16:40 |
"Oh Danny-bo, the prog, the prog is ca-aal-ling...." 
What is the source of your dictionary entry, oh shaven-templed scholar?
Re your button answer, I regret to inform you that you haven't hit it yet. It's not wealth or status-related.
Try again, my non-hirsute friend! 
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Dan Bobrowski
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Posted: May 06 2004 at 17:13 |
If I gave up that info (sources and such) I'd be forced to reign mighty plutonium fueled pelicans down upon yer land. Their feces melts trailer roofs and ultra fertilizes the soil causing such an over-growth of vegetaion that your faulty electrical grid will grind to a screaching halt and render you unable to continue in your declarations of quetionable subject matter over the, Al Gore created, Internet.
another guess: Hhhmm, considering British horse-riding skills, the buttons were used to attach the feeble riders to their mounts by way of the reigns...

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Posted: May 06 2004 at 18:32 |
Quote:
Fornicate Under Consent of the King.
Reminds me of a dubious joke: when a major detergent manufacturer named their new soap powder:
Finest Universal Cleanser Known
punchline, to do with their advertising slogan, is on offer........................
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Peter
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Posted: May 11 2004 at 01:26 |
> Oh Daaaaaaan-bo! I'm waiting!
Do you give up, oh thick-of-cranium, benumbed-of-skull, and bereft-of-brains (did Adams exact a fearsome toll on the weekend?) Americanski friend?
Shall I end your mental anguish, and put you out of your misery on this one? 
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy.
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Dan Bobrowski
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Posted: May 11 2004 at 10:36 |
Sure, I GIVE UP......freaking BUTTONS.
You'd think he had something better to do with his time.
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