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    Posted: 31 minutes ago at 09:20
^^^ Without doing it at AP at this time, my order for my top might be.

1. Hérésie
2. Ceux du dehors
3. Univers Zero
4. Uzed
5. Heatwave
6. Clivages

Those first three are pretty interchangeable. On some days I would put the debut in top spot.

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

^ Thanks for the thoughtful response, Mike.

I, like others, certainly have favourites, and with some acts with many releases my favourites are much clearer than with others. With other acts I have many favourites, some not so liked, and what is my favourite often will depend on what I am listening to at the moment. And I have acts where I have listened to various albums a huge many times, sometimes even putting an album on repeat. With some it is way easier choosing clear favourites than others, for a great many bands ranking would be an easy task for me. With some it really is like, this is the best album ever when listening to it, and then I listen to another, and at that times I feel that is the best, and so on, and I realise they might have many albums that can rank supreme in their own ways and so none of those are ultimately better to me. And my favourites often depend on the mood I am in at the time, what other stuff I am particularly into at any given time...


Yes, it really varies. For users like me (who listen to hundreds of releases each year) it can get really difficult to remember everything I listened to. Even absolute favorites pale in my memory after having heard dozens of new albums. In order to rate them properly I would have to listen to them again, which I try to do on a regular basis. Sometimes I'll devote entire days to listening to one really favorite artist's discography. Soon I'll tackle Zappa, which will take me 1-2 weeks. Like you said, it is difficult to rate a release purely from memory, except for the most iconic ones. This is one of the reasons why I like using a website like AP (or RYM, or PA to some extent) to keep track of my impressions while I'm listening to the music, so that I can review it later.


My rating could vary depending on the day and mood even for albums I know really well. I don't listen to as much as you when it comes to new-to-me releases and often my favourite du jour gets played again and again and again. I commonly will have a pretty good memory of what I have listened to, but it might not always connect with me. There are albums I loved twenty years ago and listened to lots but then came back to a decade later and they did little for me... Maybe they weren't representative of my current interests. A rating for me would be something of a snapshot of how I feel at a given time, but a huge many I do know so well that I could happily rate without revisiting and still feel that it is an accurate representation of my tastes. It's like I have fully absorbed the music, become part of my DNA.

At PA I would rather not rate without reviewing (I had a flurry of rating activity many years ago when the quick rating feature was implemented) and generally to me what most matters is sharing the music with others, highlighting it, and discussing the music. I'm looking to connect with people over music, and find those shared passions. I'm not adept socially, an introvert, but it is that social aspect that is so important to me. If that fails, then there is no point posting in the forums for me, for instance. With lists too, I also wish they could be somehow more interactive. This is a discussion forum, but list-making and presenting them can be such a solitary process. I love to make lists but I also yearn for less people just doing their own thing, and that we are striving to share in that experience more, and communicating with each other more. But my mind and post is all over the place.


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Pink Floyd:

1. (S) Animals (1977, listened extensively) [SPO]
2. (S) Wish You Were Here (1975, listened extensively) [SPO]
3. (S) Ummagumma (1969, listened extensively) [SPO]
4. (S) The Dark Side of the Moon (1973, listened extensively) [SPO]
5. (S) Meddle (1971, listened extensively) [SPO]
6. (A) Atom Heart Mother (1970, listened extensively) [SPO]
7. (A) Live at Pompeii (Video, 1981, listened extensively)
8. (A) The Piper At The Gates of Dawn (1967, listened extensively) [SPO]
9. (A) A Saucerful of Secrets (1968, listened extensively) [SPO]
10. (B) Obscured By Clouds (Soundtrack, 1972, listened extensively) [SPO]
11. (B) The Early Years 1967-72: Cre/ation (Compilation, 2016, listened extensively) [SPO]
12. (B) P-U-L-S-E (Live, 1995, listened extensively) [SPO]
13. (B) The Wall (1979, listened extensively) [SPO]
14. (B) The Early Years 1965-1967: Cambridge St/ation (Compilation, 2017, listened extensively) [SPO]
15. (B) More (Soundtrack, 1969, listened extensively) [SPO]
16. (B) The Division Bell (1994, listened extensively) [SPO]
17. (C) A Momentary Lapse of Reason (1987, listened extensively) [SPO]
18. (C) Delicate Sound of Thunder (Live, 1988, listened extensively) [SPO]
19. (D) The Final Cut (1983, listened extensively) [SPO]
20. (D) The Endless River (2014, listened extensively) [SPO]
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King Crimson:

1. (S) Larks' Tongues in Aspic (1973, listened often) [SPO]
2. (S) The Great Deceiver: Live 1973 - 1974 (Live, 1992, listened extensively)
3. (S) Red (1974, listened extensively) [SPO]
4. (A) In the Court of the Crimson King (1969, listened extensively) [SPO]
5. (A) Starless and Bible Black (1974, listened extensively) [SPO]
6. (A) Discipline (1981, listened extensively) [SPO]
7. (A) Islands (1971, listened extensively) [SPO]
8. (A) Lizard (1970, listened extensively) [SPO]
9. (B) In The Wake Of Poseidon (1970, listened extensively) [SPO]
10. (B) Radical Action (to Unseat the Hold of Monkey Mind) (Live, 2016, listened extensively)
11. (B) The Power To Believe (2003, listened extensively) [SPO]
12. (B) THRAK (1995, listened extensively) [SPO]
13. (B) Live in Toronto (Live, 2016, listened extensively) [SPO]
14. (?) King Crimson / ProjeKct X - Heaven And Earth (2000, listened extensively)
15. (C) Beat (1982, listened extensively) [SPO]
16. (C) Three of a Perfect Pair (1984, listened extensively)
17. (C) The Night Watch (Live, 1997, listened extensively)
18. (C) The ConstruKction Of Light (2000, listened extensively) [SPO]
19. (C) A Scarcity of Miracles (Jakszyk/Fripp/Collins) (2011, listened extensively) [SPO]
20. (C) Live At The Orpheum (Live, 2015, listened extensively) [SPO]
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Univers Zéro:

1. (S) Ceux Du Dehors (1981, listened often) [BC, SPO]
2. (S) Heresie (1979, listened extensively) [BC, SPO]
3. (S) Uzed (1984, listened extensively) [SPO]
4. (A) Univers Zero (1313) (1977, several listens) [BC, SPO]
5. (A) Heatwave (1986, listened extensively)
6. (A) Clivages (2010, listened extensively)
7. (B) Phosphorescent Dreams (2014, listened often) [BC, SPO]
8. (B) Lueur (2023, listened often) [BC, SPO]
9. (C) The Hard Quest (1999, listened often)
10. (C) Implosion (2004, listened often)
11. (C) Rhythmix (2002, listened often)
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

^ Thanks for the thoughtful response, Mike.

I, like others, certainly have favourites, and with some acts with many releases my favourites are much clearer than with others. With other acts I have many favourites, some not so liked, and what is my favourite often will depend on what I am listening to at the moment. And I have acts where I have listened to various albums a huge many times, sometimes even putting an album on repeat. With some it is way easier choosing clear favourites than others, for a great many bands ranking would be an easy task for me. With some it really is like, this is the best album ever when listening to it, and then I listen to another, and at that times I feel that is the best, and so on, and I realise they might have many albums that can rank supreme in their own ways and so none of those are ultimately better to me. And my favourites often depend on the mood I am in at the time, what other stuff I am particularly into at any given time...


Yes, it really varies. For users like me (who listen to hundreds of releases each year) it can get really difficult to remember everything I listened to. Even absolute favorites pale in my memory after having heard dozens of new albums. In order to rate them properly I would have to listen to them again, which I try to do on a regular basis. Sometimes I'll devote entire days to listening to one really favorite artist's discography. Soon I'll tackle Zappa, which will take me 1-2 weeks. Like you said, it is difficult to rate a release purely from memory, except for the most iconic ones. This is one of the reasons why I like using a website like AP (or RYM, or PA to some extent) to keep track of my impressions while I'm listening to the music, so that I can review it later.
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^ That C is more like a C plus. It has music I love, and I could have gone with a B. Maybe when I next listen to it I will think of it more highly. With Fishmans I often do find albums take a few spins for me to really appreciate even if I like music off the albums immediately.

As for Long Season, this live version, off my top rated Fishmans album, Otokotachi No Wakare, is what I would recommend trying. Don't know if it would be your thing.



or without the concert video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Tz4xEyx0R0

I'm big on groove and atmosphere, and love the groove of it. The vocals would be turn off to some. Sadly the lead singer/guitarist/songwriter did die a few months after the concert which can make it rather chilling. I did not know that when I first got to know it. And when I did find out I could not listen to it or watch it for a while. While I did not know Fishmans while working in Japan, it also resonates with me because I lived there in the 90s while working as an English teacher (was in Japan when Long Season was released, how time flies, and I met my wife there).

Edited by Logan - 1 hour 37 minutes ago at 08:14
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^ Interesting, I should check out Fishmans. Based on your list I will start with Long Season, but of course individual tier assignments are highly subjective. One of my concerns when assigning low tiers is that it will discourage others from checking out a release, but that's an irrational fear. By looking through the lists in this thread so far it should be clear to everyone that one person's C-tier release could be another person's S-tier all time favorite release, and vice versa. On the individual level tiered lists are simply an interesting glimpse into how one person perceives the music. It's on the collective level that they gain more predictive power in terms of release quality.
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And here's one more before I call it a day for a band I tried my hand at a few reviews for after adding it it to the 'chives (too many cooked up lists spoil the broth). I am getting more comfortable rating and it need not be definitive or taken terribly seriously. It's a rough guide to what does what for me.

Fishmans:

1. (S) 98.12.28 男達の別れ (98.12.28 Otokotachi No Wakare) (Live, 1999, listened extensively) [SPO]
2. (S) Long Season (1996, listened extensively) [SPO]
3. (A) Long Season '96-7 - 96.12.26 Akasaka Blitz赤坂 (Live, 2016, several listens)
4. (A) 宇宙 日本 世田谷 (1997, listened often) [SPO]
5. (B) 空中キャンプ (Something in the Air) (1996, listened often) [SPO]
6. (C) Orange (オレンジ) (1994, several listens)
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Here's another über-favourite of mine and each of these has been my favourite at one time and the order could easily change to make any of these my top album. Ranking them and rating them feels very arbitrary. Like to have them all in top spot. Not Prog overall I would posit, but Third particularly has Prog relations due to it's Krautrock, electronic and experimental rock qualities and would not really be out of place in Crossover, thereby joining another head that has performed, at least in part, with Portishead, Radiohead. Or maybe I should say Yorkeishead.

Portishead:

1. (S) Third (2008, listened extensively) [AP Prog] [SPO]
2. (S) Roseland NYC Live (Live, 1998, listened often) [AP Non-Prog]
3. (S) Dummy (1994, listened extensively) [AP Non-Prog] [SPO]
4. (S) Portishead (1997, listened extensively) [AP Non-Prog] [SPO]
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^ Thanks for the thoughtful response, Mike.

I, like others, certainly have favourites, and with some acts with many releases my favourites are much clearer than with others. With other acts I have many favourites, some not so liked, and what is my favourite often will depend on what I am listening to at the moment. And I have acts where I have listened to various albums a huge many times, sometimes even putting an album on repeat. With some it is way easier choosing clear favourites than others, for a great many bands ranking would be an easy task for me. With some it really is like, this is the best album ever when listening to it, and then I listen to another, and at that times I feel that is the best, and so on, and I realise they might have many albums that can rank supreme in their own ways and so none of those are ultimately better to me. And my favourites often depend on the mood I am in at the time, what other stuff I am particularly into at any given time...

The thing about judging quality is something of an aside as I have often had people, for instance, insist to me that an album I love is bad or mediocre rather than saying it's not to their taste, and when I would try to explore that idea they would double-down and insist without justifying the claim. Of course people are entitled to their own tastes, people have preferences, but I do wish people would be more careful when phrasing such claims as if they were objective truth, and in some cases more rational in recognising that it is a subjective appraisal. Making such claims can be a bit of trigger for me and brings back unhappy memories in my interactions with friends and family. I can appreciate someone's tastes and appreciate an album without liking it...

I would rather rate an album right after listening to an album several times in a row (that's how I like to review bad as my reviews are), as that might better capture my feelings, but I said I would try to rate if feeling encouraged, and I am. Like ranking quite often, the ratings do feel arbitrary. I gave Music Has the Right to Children one hundred as to me it has been a perfect listening experience in its way. Several of these would get five stars from me if in PA.

This band is not in PA, but I don't like to try draw lines between Prog and not Prog often, and commonly there are not clear boundaries...

Boards of Canada:

1. (S) Music Has the Right to Children (1998, listened extensively) [AP Non-Prog] [BC, SPO]
2. (S) Geogaddi (2002, listened extensively) [AP Prog] [BC, SPO]
3. (S) The Campfire Headphase (2005, listened extensively) [AP Non-Prog] [BC, SPO]
4. (A) Tomorrow's Harvest (2013, listened often) [AP Prog] [BC, SPO]
5. (A) In a Beautiful Place Out in the Country (EP, 2000, several listens) [AP Non-Prog] [BC, SPO]
6. (B) Boc Maxima (1996, several listens) [AP]
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Another one of my absolute favorite bands ...

Opeth:

1. (S) Ghost Reveries (2005, listened extensively) [SPO]
2. (S) Blackwater Park (2001, listened extensively) [SPO]
3. (S) Damnation (2003, listened extensively) [SPO]
4. (S) Deliverance (2002, listened often) [SPO]
5. (S) The Last WILL and TESTAMENT (2024, listened often) [SPO]
6. (S) Still Life (1999, listened extensively) [BC, SPO]
7. (A) Watershed (2008, listened extensively) [SPO]
8. (A) In Cauda Venenum (2019, listened extensively) [SPO]
9. (A) Pale Communion (2014, first listen) [SPO]
10. (A) Heritage (2011, listened often) [SPO]
11. (A) Sorceress (2016, several listens) [SPO]
12. (B) Orchid (1995, listened often) [BC, SPO]
13. (B) My Arms Your Hearse (1998, listened often) [BC, SPO]
14. (B) Morningrise (1996, several listens) [BC, SPO]

Edited by MikeEnRegalia - 4 hours 15 minutes ago at 05:36
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Modified the export to skip tier display unless at least one release is tiered, and added familiarity to provide more context for those of you who absolutely will not tier releases (since one of the core philosophies of AP is that most of its features are and will forever be completely optional).

Pink Floyd:

1. (S) The Dark Side of the Moon (1973, listened extensively) [SPO]
2. (S) Wish You Were Here (1975, listened extensively) [SPO]
3. (S) The Wall (1979, listened extensively) [SPO]
4. (S) Animals (1977, listened often) [SPO]
5. (S) The Final Cut (1983, listened extensively) [SPO]
6. (A) Meddle (1971, first listen) [SPO]
7. (A) A Saucerful of Secrets (1968, first listen) [SPO]
8. (B) A Momentary Lapse of Reason (1987, listened extensively) [SPO]
9. (B) Atom Heart Mother (1970, several listens) [SPO]
10. (B) The Division Bell (1994, first listen) [SPO]
11. (B) Ummagumma (1969, first listen) [SPO]
12. (B) More (Soundtrack, 1969, first listen) [SPO]
13. (C) Obscured By Clouds (Soundtrack, 1972, first listen) [SPO]
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:


One thing I often don't like to say or even imply is that one album is better than another.


Thanks for the lengthy reply, I read all of it and agree with some of it, and I love your tier descriptions.

I picked the above sentence to quote because I think it sums up the core issue ...

In the end, we do prefer some albums over others. Ultimately this is reflected in how often we listen to them. Or as a corollary, the albums which we listen to once and then never play again are clearly not our favorite releases. Of course nowadays people can listen to thousands of releases without having to purchase them, which means that sometimes we will not play a release again which we really like(d) because we forget about it after having listened to lots of other (new) music. At the end of the day though, most people probably have a short list of absolute favorite releases which they always return to (this would be the S tier), and a longer list of releases they listened to a lot, are really well familiar with them and would list as their favorites without thinking twice (the A tier). Then there's releases which you really like, but somehow put off listening to again (usually because there are other releases which you'd rather listen to). That would be the B tier, and of course with C and beyond it's just a matter of decreasing quality (as you perceive it).

This is how I think about ratings and tiers. It's more about how much you like something than it is a general statement about "quality".

Having said that, one big factor in rating/tiering is not wanting to hurt any feelings either of the affected artists or their fans. It feels great to assign the S tier to something, but it can feel quite painful to assign a lower tier. Still, it's often the most honest thing you can do. And it is usually the ONLY thing you can do to put your recommendations into proper perspective.


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^ Whoosh! was a pleasant suprise, I like Don Airey a lot though as he channels a lot of Keith Emerson in his style perhaps more than Jon Lord. =1 is also great and Simon McBride is a guitar genius. I could rate it a bit higher maybe.
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Deep Purple:

1. (S) In Rock (1970) [SPO]
2. (S) Whoosh! (2020) [SPO]
3. (A) Machine Head (1972) [SPO]
4. (A) Fireball (1971) [SPO]
5. (A) Stormbringer (1974) [SPO]
6. (A) Burn (1974) [SPO]
7. (B) =1 (2024) [SPO]


Maybe I should listen to Woosh :-)

Deep Purple:

1. (S) Machine Head (1972) [SPO]
2. (S) In Rock (1970) [SPO]
3. (S) Made In Japan (Live, 1972) [SPO]
4. (S) Fireball (1971) [SPO]
5. (A) Purpendicular (1996) [SPO]
6. (A) Burn (1974) [SPO]
7. (A) Stormbringer (1974) [SPO]
8. (A) The House of Blue Light (1987) [SPO]
9. (A) Perfect Strangers (1984) [SPO]
10. (B) =1 (2024) [SPO]
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

King Crimson:

1. (S) Red (1974) [SPO]
2. (S) The Power To Believe (2003) [SPO]
3. (A) Starless and Bible Black (1974) [SPO]
4. (A) Lizard (1970) [SPO]
5. (A) In the Court of the Crimson King (1969) [SPO]
6. (B) In The Wake Of Poseidon (1970) [SPO]
7. (B) Islands (1971) [SPO]
8. (B) Larks' Tongues in Aspic (1973) [SPO]
9. (B) THRAK (1995) [SPO]
10. (D) Discipline (1981) [SPO]


Interesting! I really agree with the high placement of Power To Believe, but I strongly disagree with Discipline in the D tier.


at least it's in my top ten by them
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

King Crimson:

1. (S) Red (1974) [SPO]
2. (S) The Power To Believe (2003) [SPO]
3. (A) Starless and Bible Black (1974) [SPO]
4. (A) Lizard (1970) [SPO]
5. (A) In the Court of the Crimson King (1969) [SPO]
6. (B) In The Wake Of Poseidon (1970) [SPO]
7. (B) Islands (1971) [SPO]
8. (B) Larks' Tongues in Aspic (1973) [SPO]
9. (B) THRAK (1995) [SPO]
10. (D) Discipline (1981) [SPO]


Interesting! I really agree with the high placement of Power To Believe, but I strongly disagree with Discipline in the D tier.

King Crimson:

1. (S) Red (1974) [SPO]
2. (S) In the Court of the Crimson King (1969) [SPO]
3. (S) The Power To Believe (2003) [SPO]
4. (S) Larks' Tongues in Aspic (1973) [SPO]
5. (S) Starless and Bible Black (1974) [SPO]
6. (S) Discipline (1981) [SPO]
7. (S) Lizard (1970) [SPO]
8. (A) THRAK (1995) [SPO]
9. (A) In The Wake Of Poseidon (1970) [SPO]
10. (A) A Scarcity of Miracles (Jakszyk/Fripp/Collins) (2011) [SPO]

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Deep Purple:

1. (S) In Rock (1970) [SPO]
2. (S) Whoosh! (2020) [SPO]
3. (A) Machine Head (1972) [SPO]
4. (A) Fireball (1971) [SPO]
5. (A) Stormbringer (1974) [SPO]
6. (A) Burn (1974) [SPO]
7. (B) =1 (2024) [SPO]
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