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Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:

Originally posted by yam yam yam yam wrote:

And:


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Both Discogs and Disqu-O-Québec have the album as a compilation (as do we), but they also say: "L'enregistrement des pièces "Live" a été fait au théâtre St-Denis à Montréal" (apparently in 1974). More info about the band here: https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/ville-emard-blues-band-emc.

I guess it's a compilation of selected live recordings from that venue, so I haven't moved it from compilations to live.
If you don't mind I'd move it to Live.
No objection from me, Eugene. I just wasn't sure myself, seeing as a few other sites seem to consider it to be a compilation.

- E&O Team: Thanks, moved to Live.


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Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:

Originally posted by yam yam yam yam wrote:

^ Yeah, empty track lists is easy - we cleared all 59 of those back in 2021, so just four new ones now should be a doddle. As for the rest of them, I think we should certainly have a look, see what needs doing, and fix them if we can. Let's see what Eugene's thoughts are. Embarrassed 
David, after your and Julien's posts I don't know what can I add. Confused
I just wondered if you might consider 52 albums to be too much work. The two I edited myself certainly weren't 'five-minute jobs', though I haven't looked at any of the others as yet.
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^ Thanks, David, clear now.
I think we can edit even 52 albums, but no rush here, we're don't have time limits.
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Originally posted by reinaldojoseadv reinaldojoseadv wrote:

I would like to add some videos to Sub Rosa's page, but the site does not allow it. Even though I am a forum member, it does not work.

Here is the band's link:
https://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=5467

Below are the links to the band's videos that are not there, and I would greatly appreciate it if an administrator or someone with permission could add them:

Chariot of the Crowned Child
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3cwJmnJUPQ

KriTherion (Concert Film)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYA_Ho2_iyY

Let's Try Again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYCHr1hy1GU

The Wishing Man
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8iEuCtM0tg

Pregnant Bárbara Laranjeira recording the drums for Let's Try Again in one take
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BstF-RpW73o

Equinox (2023)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QLZStM_XPk

The Men Behind the Curtains (Live in Studio)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWZLZ05Vh1s

The Illusion (2023)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6gO_eeqelI

Thank you very much, indeed!

Reinaldo


Added the first three.
But only three videos are shown on PA main page at the same time. 
I can add the rest now or you may remind me to add them later, when these three disappear from PA main page.
It's up to you to decide.



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JB Fairfield - Parts of Life: https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=89827 - Album released yesterday, track times now available via Bandcamp.

1. Three Weeks Of Rain (4:18) 
2. Lonely Eyes (3:51) 
3. World Is Turning (3:12) 
4. Mosaic (4:37) 
5. Wild Wind Promised Me (Rain) (4:08) 
6. Time For Leaving (3:48) 
7. Divergence, Convergence (4:36) 
8. Lazy (3:51) 
9. Later That Same Night (4:57) 
10. Oh No, It’s Still Raining! (2:34) 
11. Lokah Samastah Sukhino Bhavantu (2:42) 
12. Parts Of Me (4:04) 
13. Keep Dry And Warm (1:40) 

Total Time 48:18
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^^ Thanks, guys, both done.
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Updated albums 4 & 5 from Julien's list of 52 albums:


This had just "Track title" as track 2.
I also added in the track listing of the 12" single version, & the correct release references for the first issues of both versions, from Discogs.


No track listing at all (just had the word 'unknown' written there).
I also added the correct release reference from Discogs, and swapped a tiny (and blurred after being enlarged) cover photo for the one from RYM's page for the album.

Edit: Albums 6 & 7 now also updated:


This had 'Track title' as name of track 1, no track 2 'B' side song title, incorrect releases info, and a lousy cover.


This had the default text still showing at bottom of track list field
1. Track title (3:04)
2. Track title (9:07)

Also no total times, & no releases info.


The first eight albums in the list have now all been updated.

Edit 2: I've also had a look at album 9 in the list: https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=26402. It just says 'no info' in both the track listing and musicians info fields, and 'self-released' in the releases info. I couldn't find the detailed information for this album anywhere on line, but it did exist, the cover is correct, and 2002 was the correct year of release.

See: https://drownedinsound.com/in_depth/1312600-discover--the-monroe-transfer, and an interview conducted in November 2006 with the band's leader - a guy named Nick Gill:

"There were two little albums before 'Electric Old Wire Noise', but they were just made by me, in my lonely room, on a load of crap equipment, with very little idea of what I was doing. There was one called 'wedontknowhowyoufindtimeforallofuslordbutweregratefulthatyoudo' and the second was '67 moons', and there were 50 and 67 copies of them, respectively. At that point I'd never thought of playing live, so there wasn't really any way I could try to sell loads of them; besides, I was making everything, burning all the CDs and making the sleeves by hand, so it seemed sensible to only make a few. They were a bit noisier, and certainly more amateurishly produced, than our actual album. There are a few clips of things on our website, but I don't think we have any particular plans to make anything available. We're still very small and insecure – maybe if we get a bit more established, we'd be confident enough to let early, rougher material out into the world. Most of the stuff we play live is on the first two albums, in early form, though."

Their website died a death circa 2018, and their Facebook hasn't seen any activity since a single post in August 2020, and that was the first one since September 2017, so there seems little point trying to contact them for information. Nick Gill does also have his own personal Facebook page, but he's never posted anything on it other than a profile picture and a cover photo (though he does have 467 friends, so I guess he must use it). I'll message him about the '67 Moons' track list, but I'm not really expecting a reply from him.

The first 'real' album the band released was thus 'Electric Old Wire Noise' in 2005.

I can tell you that there were 33 tracks on '67 Moons' and just 67 copies were made - all in handmade sleeves, and all sold. See the Internet Archive capture of their old Myspace page here. The musicians info would need to say something like: - Nick Gill / all instruments, since he made the album himself in his bedroom. All I can think of for the track list would be to include something like:

1. Unknown
2. Unknown
3. Unknown
4. Unknown 
5. Unknown
6. Unknown 
7. Unknown 
8. Unknown 
9. Unknown
10. Unknown
11. Unknown
12. Unknown
13. Unknown
14. Unknown 
15. Unknown
16. Unknown
17. Unknown
18. Unknown
19. Unknown
20. Unknown
21. Unknown
22. Unknown
23. Unknown 
24. Unknown
25. Unknown
26. Unknown
27. Unknown
28. Unknown
29. Unknown 
30. Unknown
31. Unknown
32. Unknown 
33. Unknown

Total Time Unknown Ermm

Regarding the 'wedontknowhowyoufindtimeforallofuslordbutweregratefulthatyoudo' album: https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=26401, that unwieldly title is screwing up the alignment of all the album cover images to the right of it on the main page. I'd be inclined to include a space in the middle to force the title where it appears underneath the cover image into two lines, so that it's shown there just as it is on the album cover itself:

wedontknowhowyoufindtimeforallof
uslordbutweregratefulthatyoudo

The album title won't look quite right in the heading at the top of the page if you do this, but I think that would be better than the mess we've got at the moment.

Otherwise maybe you could just write the title abbreviated as: "wedontknowhowyou...weregratefulthatyoudo", or "wedontknowhowyoufindtimeforallofuslord...", which should condense it sufficiently so that it doesn't wreck the album alignment on the page, whilst still keeping it as a single line without any spaces.

Other amendments needed on that same album page are the number of copies made (50, not 60) and year of release (2001, not 2002). See the archived Myspace link again for confirmation of that. Once again the musicians info for that album would just be: - Nick Gill / all instruments.

The last thing you might want to consider doing is to update the artist photo on their main page. It's a very small 176x226 image, and looks pretty awful when blown up to full size on the page.

This one is from their Facebook:



Full size image is 720x720, and can be found here. You could always crop some of the tree trunk off the image to bring the musicians more into focus.



The top image actually looks the sharper of the two as they are displayed here in this post, but once the PA software has done its resizing work with them, the bottom one would probably look sharper on the actual page itself - especially if you crop it yourself from the original full sized image on Facebook.




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^ Thanks, David, all done. I also moved 'wedontknowhowyoufindtimeforallofuslordbutweregratefulthatyoudo' and '67 moons' to Promo/EPs.

I think it would be more convenient to have the list of unhandled albums here than on previous pages.
So here it is (copied from Julien's post and actualised):
Originally posted by projeKct projeKct wrote:

Below, I've listed albums that meet at least one of the following criteria:
- No track list at all
- A track list with fewer than 10 characters
- The words "Track title (" are present within the track list




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Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:

^ Thanks, David, all done. I also moved 'wedontknowhowyoufindtimeforallofuslordbutweregratefulthatyoudo' and '67 moons' to Promo/EPs.
Thanks, Eugene. The year of release still says 2002 though, and needs changing to 2001 according to the old Myspace page (as well as minor edits to the bits of info further down the page where the year is mentioned).
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^ David, a remark on Discogs reads: "Recorded in bedrooms and corridors in Oxford, 2001-2002".
If it's true the release year can't be 2001. Confused




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Album #10 in Julien's list: https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=26535. No track list, incomplete (and partly incorrect) musicians info, incomplete releases info, wrong cover (the current cover has been used with this album, but wasn't used for its earliest release, which was done digitally).


1. Salmon (2:51) 
2. Bear (7:14) 
3. Fisherman (7:53) 
4. Owl (1:40) 
5. Locksmith (12:04) 
6. Tailor (5:59) 
7. Horses (2:29) 

Total Time 40:10

- Lode Vlaeminck / drums, bass, synthesizers, Rhodes electric piano, drum programming, vocals 
- Wouter Vlaeminck / guitar, bass, synthesizers, Rhodes electric piano, vocals, glitch sounds, effects
- Alexander Vanysacker / guitar, synthesizers, Rhodes electric piano, vocals
- Senne Guns / synthesizer, Rhodes electric piano, vocals
- Bram Pauwels / guitar, vocals

Music & words written by Lode Vlaeminck & Wouter Vlaeminck with assistance from Alexander Vanysacker, Bram Pauwels & Senne Guns
Recorded & mixed by Wouter Vlaeminck at his home studios in Lo-Reninge and Ghent, Belgium between summer 2008 and winter 2008/9
Mastered by Adam Nunn at Abbey Road Studios, London in March 2009
Layout by Lode Vlaeminck

Digital album April 20, 2008
CD Happy Prince - HPPR010 Japan (May 30, 2009, Japan)
Vinyl LP Graveface Records - GRAVE044 (July 28, 2009, USA) limited  to 500 copies
CD Zealrecords - Zealcdee 024 (2009, Belgium)

Correct cover is available at Bandcamp.

The other two Tomàn albums aren't in Julien's list, but also need work doing on them (all added by the same SC). The band biography is only two lines long, and there is no artist photo. Disapprove I'll work on the biography and post it here when done, but the artist photo is available on Discogs or Last.fm (this is a larger image than the Discogs one, but it is in .webp format, so would need converting first).

I'll also post the amendments needed for the other two Tomàn albums here in due course, if nobody else has dealt with them in the meantime. Embarrassed

- E&O Team: Thanks, David, all done.
Except the line-up of the Catching A Grizzly Bear, Lesson One album (I couldn't find info).


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Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:

^ David, a remark on Discogs reads: "Recorded in bedrooms and corridors in Oxford, 2001-2002".
If it's true the release year can't be 2001. Confused

I'd personally rather trust the band's own official Myspace page than a comment on Discogs. According to that Drowned in Sound interview that was conducted with the band's leader Nick Gill - who actually made the album himself - the album was recorded in his lonely room rather than bedrooms and corridors in Oxford, so I'd treat the remark with a pinch of salt. It sounds to me as if the background behind the album has been altered somewhat by people over the years to create a bit of local folklore, or an 'urban legend', and that folklore has ended up being posted on Discogs! The lack of any images of the handmade cover on Discogs also makes me suspicious regarding the accuracy of the contents of that particular page, since if it was based on having an actual copy of the album to hand, you'd have expected the uploader to have also included a photo of the cover.

As far as I know, the band was based in London rather than Oxford, and Discogs also say in that remark that there were 60 copies of the album made, when on both Myspace and Drowned in Sound - straight from the horse's mouth, really - the figure is given as 50. 'Bedrooms and corridors of Oxford' definitely sounds a bit fishy to me lol, so I wouldn't trust the date range either. Embarrassed

Edit: Information tends to get distorted as it passes from person to person, and Last.fm also says that 'wedontknowhowyoufindtimeforallofuslordbutweregratefulthatyoudo' was released in 2002 - with '67 Moons' not being released until 2003 - but who knows where they got their information from. Confused Sometimes it's just impossible to be completely sure about some of the stuff that you dig up on the Internet, and I guess the only way we'll know for sure about this particular band is if Nick Gill answers the message that I've sent him on Facebook.

- E&O Team: Thanks, David, done.


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^ No worries, Mayer - easily done - and now fixed.

I'd be tempted to include a note to say that the the album was a concert recording made on October 20, 2024 at the Kadr Culture House in Warsaw, Poland, and features songs from Marcin's two most recent albums, "In The Space" and "The Maze", but I'll leave it up to the E&O team to decide whether that is necessary or not.
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^ Thanks, David, done.
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Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:

- E&O Team: Thanks, David, all done.
Except the line-up of the Catching A Grizzly Bear, Lesson One album (I couldn't find info).
 
The core line-up would have been the same as it was for the subsequent album 'Perhaps We Should Have Smoked The Salmon First', since the band didn't have any changes in personnel until well after that album had been recorded, when bass player Jens Vanysacker left in late November 2006. Senne Guns joined Tomàn in February 2007 on keyboards, and guitarist Alexander Vanysacker then joined in March 2008.

It's not possible to give the exact details of the instrumentation (ie instrument manufacturers' names) that the guys used like we could on the other two albums, but essentially the line-up and instrumentation would have been very close to this:

- Jens Vanysacker / bass, vocals
- Lode Vlaeminck / drums, keyboards, synthesizers, vocals
- Wouter Vlaeminck / guitar, electric piano, violin, effects, vocals
- Bram Pauwels / guitar, programming, effects, vocals

With: 
- Pieter Jan / saxophone
- Elodie / saxophone

^ Those are definitely the names of the musicians who played on the album, and even if the exact details of the instruments that they used can't be verified for certain, they are most likely going to be quite similar to the instruments used on the band's subsequent 'Perhaps We Should Have Smoked The Salmon First' album, which was released the following year.

Note: Wouter Vlaeminck also played a horn on 'Perhaps We Should Have Smoked The Salmon First' (Aunt Christa's seahorn lol!), but I can't confirm that he did on this one, so I've left that instrument out. I found a review of the 'Catching A Grizzly Bear, Lesson One' album here which mentions the use of a violin, so that confirms that he definitely did use this instrument on the album.

Both of Tomàn's old websites (http://tomantheband.brinkster.net/, and http://www.toman.be/ are no longer on line, so the only current one we could use is probably going to be Facebook, though even that hasn't been updated since June 2021.

The name of the band is usually spelt with a grave accent over the letter 'a', so I'm wondering if we should do the same here. Discogs keep mis-spelling the name of the Belgian city of Ghent as just 'Gent' on these Tomàn albums, so the line: "Mixed at Jürgen De Blonde his home in Gent", in the 'Catching A Grizzly Bear' album, could be more accurately written as "Mixed by Jürgen De Blonde at his home in Ghent".

I'll hopefully put together a more detailed biography for Tomàn sometime during the next day or two.

- E&O Team: Thanks, David, done.
I would keep the name Toman because on 2 of their 3 albums it's written this way. We can make a remark in forthcoming bio, something like 'TOMAN (or TOMÀN) is ....'


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The next album from Julien's list, https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=27716, has now had its primary problem fixed (it only had the tracks shown as 1. 2. 3. with no song titles entered alongside those numbers). I think the cover image should also be updated though. The current one is just a standard empty Static Caravan record label sleeve, and I think this image showing the single itself in one of those sleeves would be better. Discogs use an image of the single surrounded by just a black border though, so I'll let you E&O guys pick the image that you think would be best. Embarrassed
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^ Thanks, David, cover changed.
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https://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=87902

1. Generation War (5:15)
2. Old Love Never Dies (5:14)
3. The Meaning of Life (4:43)
4. Time to Grow Up (5:15)
5. The Girl Who Talked to Dolphins (5:01)
6. AI is Coming! (5:51)
7. Political Games (4:50)
8. The Goldfish (5:02)
9. Solitude and Sadness (5:16)
10. Father/Son (4:19)

Total Time 50:45
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