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Anyway, you were looking for recommendations so again I suggest checking out Twelfth Night.
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

A lot can happen in those short years. One year can seem like a long time, two years even longer etc.


Can.  That's the keyword.  "Can" and "does" are two different things if you apply it to a specific topic.  In this case, it's the neo-prog scene.

I'll check them out after getting done with Bakullama.
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Originally posted by Rexorcist Rexorcist wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

A lot can happen in those short years. One year can seem like a long time, two years even longer etc.


Can.  That's the keyword.  "Can" and "does" are two different things if you apply it to a specific topic.  In this case, it's the neo-prog scene.

I'll check them out after getting done with Bakullama.


Listen, I'm not an idiot so please don't talk to me that way.  

Can and does(in this case did). Wow. You really like to argue don't you? Like I said let's agree to disagree and move on. 

I saw your Pendragon reviews. I have a few of their albums but haven't listened to most yet. They are one of the big three of neo prog.


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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by Rexorcist Rexorcist wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

A lot can happen in those short years. One year can seem like a long time, two years even longer etc.


Can.  That's the keyword.  "Can" and "does" are two different things if you apply it to a specific topic.  In this case, it's the neo-prog scene.

I'll check them out after getting done with Bakullama.


Listen, I'm not an idiot so please don't talk to me that way.  

Can and does(in this case did). Wow. You really like to argue don't you? Like I said let's agree to disagree and move on.

Well.  That was exceptionally arrogant.  It appears you're the type who takes disagreement too personally, and then you claim that I'm the one who likes to argue.  Let's debate that, shall we?

A: You're completely aware that I never said you're an idiot, so this is purely personal.

B: You're aware that it was your own choice of words, "a lot can happen in a few years," that kept things quick and simple.  A simple argument is not always a convincing one, which means you, who's been on a prog forum of all places longer than I have, are unwilling to have a thorough discussion.  Interesting.

C: Your first short sentence here makes a demand that I believe you by insisting that it does without explanation (again).  Then you shame me for being analytical, place the blame of your own feelings and inability to articulate while in a state of emotional height on me, and then attempt to hijack a pseudo victory by saying "I don't want to talk about it anymore," which is really just forfeiting without having the maturity to admit it.

I don't take demands like that.

You're not discussing properly, you're insisting on the same argument over and over again with cheap comebacks that are, if I might be a little too spirited, kinda of insulting when you take into account that this is a discussion forum for a rock subgenre built on complexity, brain power and many attempts to justify epic lengths with more complexity.

In other words, I've been here for a shorter time than you, I've heard less neo-prog than you, and this discussion and your behavior seems to insinuate that I'm already more qualified to discuss the genre.  I'd prefer if you didn't post on this thread again, not that I have the power to stop you, but all of your replies will be ignored.  And I'll be putting off Twelfth Night.


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No, if anything you were the arrogant one. You can't just let things go anyway and accept the fact that not everyone will agree with your opinion. That's right. It's an opinion not a fact. You have yours and I have mine. Anyway, I have nothing further to say. I'll let you have the last word but I'm done here. 
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Hmmm, I suppose I'll take the bait.

A: "A fact is not an opinion."
B: "Can and does (in this case did)" and tried to leave the conversation.

This only proves that you're the arrogant one.  How could you be here longer than I have and not be prepared for a discussion?  I would be more than willing to discuss thes things with you if your arguments had depth to them.  There is no one else here I've seen so far refusing this depth.  I had a boss like you that got fired recently: unable to think things through thoroughly, took disagreements offensively, and hid behind age.  I'll bet a part of you is thinking, "I'm over 50 so who's this teenage joker to tell me what's what?"  The only thing I'm telling you is that you should be more indepth.

You are more than smart enough to talk about the history of neo-prog in further fashion.  Obviously, you're incapable of doing so not because of your brainpower, but because of your pride.  And now you demand that I side with you and say I'm arrogant?

It's people like you who make me this way.  You can tell from both of our posts that I'm the one in greater control of myself, and why?  Because I'm used to people like you.

A: Can and does: please don't insult the community by leaving it at a demand for agreement.  We have articles to read, so prove you've been reading them...

B: No you just don't like admitting your wrong.  Doesn't your profile say you're over 50?  Why would you even consider a sentence that could be spoken by children as a form of defense?

Respect may be given at first, but certain situations can cause it to be lost.  I do not, and will not, respect demands.  If I do have arrogance, which is possible, at least I also have depth.  I'd think for a man almost twice my age, you'd have some more of that.

I'm more than willing to respect your opinions if you'd show some depth.  I'm more than happy to be proven wrong if you can provide evidence and facts.  But if you're going to talk like a child, I'm afraid that my ideals dictate that I treat you as you act.  So if you continue this aggression, there's a chance I'll report you.

I am proud of this autistic trait of mine: I don't take sides without a damn good reason, which you haven't provided yet.  If anyone on your side is willing to dictate this with me respectfully, let them.  But your behavior hasn't convinced me that you know much about neo-prog.

I don't do demands.

I don't do accusatory speech.

I am proud, and maybe arrogant, but I have real reasons.  So go ahead and tell me I'll just a this or just a that.
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 I didn't read all of your last message and I'm not reading this one either. I have no patience for people who I feel are disrespectul and won't listen to others and think their opinions are facts. However, If you want you can send me a private message and we'll chat on there. Good luck.

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Originally posted by Rexorcist Rexorcist wrote:


Hmmm, I suppose I'll take the bait.

A: "A fact is not an opinion."
B: "Can and does (in this case did)" and tried to leave the conversation.

This only proves that you're the arrogant one. How could you be here longer than I have and not be prepared for a discussion? I would be more than willing to discuss thes things with you if your arguments had depth to them. There is no one else here I've seen so far refusing this depth. I had a boss like you that got fired recently: unable to think things through thoroughly, took disagreements offensively, and hid behind age. I'll bet a part of you is thinking, "I'm over 50 so who's this teenage joker to tell me what's what?" The only thing I'm telling you is that you should be more indepth.

You are more than smart enough to talk about the history of neo-prog in further fashion. Obviously, you're incapable of doing so not because of your brainpower, but because of your pride. And now you demand that I side with you and say I'm arrogant?

It's people like you who make me this way. You can tell from both of our posts that I'm the one in greater control of myself, and why? Because I'm used to people like you.

A: Can and does: please don't insult the community by leaving it at a demand for agreement. We have articles to read, so prove you've been reading them...

B: No you just don't like admitting your wrong. Doesn't your profile say you're over 50? Why would you even consider a sentence that could be spoken by children as a form of defense?

Respect may be given at first, but certain situations can cause it to be lost. I do not, and will not, respect demands. If I do have arrogance, which is possible, at least I also have depth. I'd think for a man almost twice my age, you'd have some more of that.

I'm more than willing to respect your opinions if you'd show some depth. I'm more than happy to be proven wrong if you can provide evidence and facts. But if you're going to talk like a child, I'm afraid that my ideals dictate that I treat you as you act. So if you continue this aggression, there's a chance I'll report you.

I am proud of this autistic trait of mine: I don't take sides without a damn good reason, which you haven't provided yet. If anyone on your side is willing to dictate this with me respectfully, let them. But your behavior hasn't convinced me that you know much about neo-prog.

I don't do demands.

I don't do accusatory speech.

I am proud, and maybe arrogant, but I have real reasons. So go ahead and tell me I'll just a this or just a that.
Originally posted by AFlowerkingCrimson AFlowerkingCrimson wrote:

I didn't read all of your last message and I'm not reading this one either. I have no patience for people who I feel are disrespectul and won't listen to others and think their opinions are facts. However, If you want you can send me a private message and we'll chat on there. Good luck.
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by Rexorcist Rexorcist wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

A lot can happen in those short years. One year can seem like a long time, two years even longer etc.


Can.  That's the keyword.  "Can" and "does" are two different things if you apply it to a specific topic.  In this case, it's the neo-prog scene.

I'll check them out after getting done with Bakullama.


Listen, I'm not an idiot so please don't talk to me that way.  

Can and does(in this case did). Wow. You really like to argue don't you? Like I said let's agree to disagree and move on. 

I saw your Pendragon reviews. I have a few of their albums but haven't listened to most yet. They are one of the big three of neo prog.




I don’t think Bakullama is neo-prog but maybe you’ll find something interesting there. It’s been called eclectic, prog adjacent, and experimental. Thanks for the listen.   I’ve read this thread and to be honest, I’m not clear on what the argument is about. Hope it works out amicably.
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Originally posted by Valdez Valdez wrote:

I don’t think Bakullama is neo-prog but maybe you’ll find something interesting there. It’s been called eclectic, prog adjacent, and experimental. Thanks for the listen.   I’ve read this thread and to be honest, I’m not clear on what the argument is about. Hope it works out amicably.

I really need it to be neo-prog.  The whole point of this recommendation thread was to take a step into getting myself into another prog genre instead of checking out recs from genres I'm already invested in, and educate myself in a weak point I've done very little work in.  Diversity helps me a lot when getting into new genres, that's why I requested neo-prog that's diverse.  With respect, I'd prefer that this doesn't become a case where people are recommending me what they want me to listen to rather than what I'm asking for.  I'm going to have to verify genre tags for each recommendation if that's the case.


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I would go to Awesomeprog.com or even here and look under the neoprog genre tag. I’d be willing to bet there are hundreds if not thousands to choose from. At ap you can specify tags like diverse, etc. good luck with your hunt. In the meantime you can’t go wrong with “CAN” !   

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Originally posted by Valdez Valdez wrote:

I would go to Awesomeprog.com or even here and look under the neoprog genre tag. I’d be willing to bet there are hundreds if not thousands to choose from. At ap you can specify tags like diverse, etc. good luck with your hunt. In the meantime you can’t go wrong with CAN !   

I normally use the RYM charts, but even then, the diversification in genre-tagging can also mean that all the genres are combined in every song, like Parranoul albums.  It wasn't sufficing, so I figured this could be a better place for recs.

And there's good news.  Soon, recommendations will be gone through much more easily.  I'm taking a break from my Pendragon marathon after Pure, and in a couple of days my Netflix subscription will be temporarily cancelled due to prices, but first I'm gonna speed through the rest of my favorite show: Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood.  On March 1 I'll have much more time to get through the recs.
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Originally posted by Valdez Valdez wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by Rexorcist Rexorcist wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

A lot can happen in those short years. One year can seem like a long time, two years even longer etc.

Can.  That's the keyword.  "Can" and "does" are two different things if you apply it to a specific topic.  In this case, it's the neo-prog scene.

I'll check them out after getting done with Bakullama.


Listen, I'm not an idiot so please don't talk to me that way.  

Can and does(in this case did). Wow. You really like to argue don't you? Like I said let's agree to disagree and move on. 

I saw your Pendragon reviews. I have a few of their albums but haven't listened to most yet. They are one of the big three of neo prog.



I don’t think Bakullama is neo-prog but maybe you’ll find something interesting there. It’s been called eclectic, prog adjacent, and experimental. Thanks for the listen.   I’ve read this thread and to be honest, I’m not clear on what the argument is about. Hope it works out amicably.
Bakullama's music is a scholastic example of so-called 'outsider music.' Even the artists themselves label their stuff as "outsider" on Bandcamp. Proggy at moments, sure, but it's rather likely, "Hey look, I can sound a bit prog-rock"; "Hey look, I could play jazzy things too," "And I can be avant-rock too, right?"
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That’s exactly right me Asoi. It is definitely outsider music. We just do whatever we feel like doing I guess, just subtle hints of jazz only because I like the sound of brass ( synth brass, lol). The “Hey Look” part of your post is a lame dig though. Kalvin and I have great fun with it and we love doing what we do.

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Originally posted by Valdez Valdez wrote:

That’s exactly right me Asoi. It is definitely outsider music. We just do whatever we feel like doing I guess, just subtle hints of jazz only because I like the sound of brass ( synth brass, lol). The “Hey Look” part of your post is a lame dig though. Kalvin and I love what we do.

I'll check it out at some point, but once I'm done with neo-prog.  And the new Banco.
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No worries. I am surely in the wrong thread here. I wouldn’t know Neo-Prog if I heard it. It’s an odd genre designation. Maybe I would do well to go listen to some of the bands mentioned here and see if I can get a fix on Neo-Prog.

NEO

combining form,
variants

: new : recent

: new and different

: in a new and different form or manner

: New World

: new and abnormal

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I'm not a Neo-Prog fan, but I feel like I still know it when I hear it commonly -- rather like Symph Prog meets Crossover Prog, AORish commonly, often Genesis inspired, dramatic melodic rock often enough with Gilmourish guitar solos and having melodic keyboard runs. Later on a metal component becomes common. Often has ballads. Melodic Prog Rock. PA has its own, but here is the rate Your Music definition.

Originally posted by rateyourmusic rateyourmusic wrote:

Neo-Prog is a synthesiser-driven style of Progressive Rock that emerged in the early 1980s in the United Kingdom. Fish-era Marillion and IQ are considered to be the defining bands of the genre.

Neo-prog took off in 1983 with bands taking strong influence from the Symphonic Prog sounds of Genesis, Yes and Camel, but replacing the hammond organ and mellotron-heavy sounds of symphonic prog with a focus on synthesisers and keyboards. The synthesisers are often the driving force in neo-prog, with the guitar regularly playing high-pitched and atmospheric lines as opposed to the riff-driven tendency of symphonic prog. Genesis' Wind & Wuthering is an influence for the guitars, and is considered by some to be the first neo-prog record. Neo-prog bands also have more Pop-oriented melodies than other forms of progressive rock, while still keeping the complex instrumentation. This saw some significant radio play and fame for some bands, with Marillion charting 11 top 40 singles during the time Fish was their vocalist.

Although the original scene died in the late 1980s with Fish leaving Marillion and Peter Nicholls leaving IQ, the genre continued an underground following with bands like Pendragon, Arena and Galahad at the forefront, and creating some smaller scenes, like the 1990s Polish scene of Abraxas, Collage and Quidam. Although Marillion moved further away from neo-prog, IQ continued to make albums in the style, and gained a further cult following after Peter Nicholls returned to the band.
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

I'm not a Neo-Prog fan, but I feel like I still know it when I hear it commonly -- rather like Symph Prog meets Crossover Prog, AORish commonly, often Genesis inspired, dramatic melodic rock often enough with Gilmourish guitar solos and having melodic keyboard runs. Later on a metal component becomes common. Often has ballads. Melodic Prog Rock. PA has its own, but here is the rate Your Music definition.

If you want a straightforward idea of what neo-prog sounds like, then based on the 30+ albums I've heard and occasionally revisited, the most standard sound belongs to Pendragon's album, The World.  Good album, not great.  Check that out and you know what it sounds like.  Tre Seventh House is a good example of diversification within the genre without steering too far out of it.

There is even some neo-prog I would rather tag as AOR instead, like Pendragon's Kowtow, before they honed their sound.
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^ I have listened to that Pendragon album. Incidentally, the Pendragon release I appreciated the most is The Jewel.
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I just listened to Pendragons the world and I thought it was very good common Prog. Like genesis.
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