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Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:

I'd suggest to use this cover (from CD and Bandcamp page)

and change the album title to "W.A.L.H.F. MORE F." or "W.A.L.H.F. MORE F. (With a Little Hell From MORE Friends)".
The more I think about this, the more I think that RYM's approach is the right one. Although the two albums are 99% the same musically, the covers are different and the titles are different, so perhaps they need to be included as separate entries as on RYM, simply to avoid confusion?
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^ Though Discogs still keeps the titles of the two releases the same, despite the different covers (I don't think they have realised as yet that track 8 differs in both in its length and musicians it features, so that may still change). 
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^^ I think 2 separate entries of "99% the same musically" albums would lead to even worse confusion. 

At the moment I updated the album almost as you suggested.
You're right, with the list of bands the line-up info would be too long. As well as the explanation of track 8 versions' differences. I only mentioned that it's different on CD and digital album.
And, finally, I've changed the title to W.A.L.H.F. MORE F. (With A Little Hell From MORE Friends).


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Line-up for the self-released version ('With a Little Hell from MORE friends', grey cover):

- Hey Figueroa / bass (4,6-8)
- Gerardo Ramlop / xylophone (3,5,7)
- Paolo Botta / keyboards, effects (2,6)
- Samo Salamon / all guitar solos (5), guitar solo (8)
- Armando Lagarda / rhythm guitar (1,8)
- Antonio Garcidueñas / drums (1,8)
- Patrick Gauthier / piano solo (3), keyboards (7)
- Miguel Saenger C. / drums (3,7)
- Bernard Falaise / electric guitars (6), guitar solo (7), 2nd guitar solo (8)
- Vincent Sicot-Vantalon / keyboards, effects (1)
- Emanuele Sterbini / bass (1)
- Shawn Persinger / electric guitar (1), 2nd & 3rd guitar solos (2), 1st guitar solo (3)
- Marc Ducret / guitar solo (1), 2nd guitar solo (3), midsection electric guitars (4)
- Ben Spees / electric guitar (2)
- Oliver Campbell / bass (2)
- Connor Reilly / drums (2)
- Markus Reuter / 1st guitar solo (2), 3rd guitar solo (8)
- Anthony Béard / electric guitar (3)
- Salvador Govea / keyboards (3)
- Joe Lester / bass (3)
- Matt Hollenberg / electric guitar (4)
- Jonathan Piña-Duluc / saxophone (4)
- Alonzo Arjona / drums (4)
- Alan Benjamin / electric guitar (5)
- Ed RosenBerg III / saxophone (5)
- Craig Walkner / drums (5)
- Steve Marek / bass (5)
- Juan Belda / keyboards, effects (5)
- Rémi Leclerc / drums & percussion (6)
- Håkan Almkvist / electric guitar (7)
- Ivan Rozmainsky / keyboards, effects (8)
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Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:

^^ I think 2 separate entries of "99% the same musically" albums would lead to even worse confusion. 

At the moment I updated the album almost as you suggested.
You're right, with the list of bands the line-up info would be too long. As well as the explanation of track 8 versions' differences. I only mentioned that it's different on CD and digital album.
And, finally, I've changed the title to W.A.L.H.F. MORE F. (With A Little Hell From MORE Friends).
It's a right can of worms lol!

The line up for that release needs the different drummer for track 8 adding in. I accidentally left him off at the end of the list when I posted my corrected line-up, sorry Embarrassed:

- Tatsuya Yoshida / drums (8)

Minor typo in the last line: Digital album (July 9, 2024, contains different wersion of track 8 played by different line-up).

I'd definitely mention the different cover as well. That's the very first thing that people are going to see that's different between the two versions.
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I'll see if I can find out what the Hell he is trying to achieve by doing this. It's even worse than some of Antony Kalugin's shenanigans in some respects. LOL

Edit: I've found his Facebook page, but there's no talk on there of re-recording track 8 with these different musicians, and the old grey self-released version Bandcamp CD inlay image indicates that the bassist for track 8 was Emanuele Sterbini (Sterbus) - the same bass player as on track 1 - rather than Hey Figueroa, as Discogs suggests. It's impossible to be sure about anything, to be honest.


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^^ David, I've corrected the following:
- Tatsuya Yoshida / drums (8);
- fixed misspelling (version);
- mentioned different cover of digital version.

The rest, it seems, is a mystery. 
And I believe nobody compares to Antony Kalugin. Smile
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^ There are two digital versions though - the current one on Bandcamp, which is identical to the Azafrán Media CD - including the cover - and the self-released version that had the different line-up on track 8 plus the different cover. I think we need to show on the page that there are (or at least were) these two different digital releases. I can only find this album digitally on Bandcamp at the moment - nowhere else.

Maybe we could say something like this:

CD Azafrán Media - AP 2451 (July 9, 2024, Mexico)
Digital album via Bandcamp, July 9, 2024 - initially with a different cover, and seemingly containing a different version of track 8 played by different line-up

And yes, you're right...Nobody compares to Antony Kalugin! LOL

Edit: I've added the word 'seemingly' in that line about the digital album, because we don't know for sure that there definitely have been two distinct versions of track 8 featuring different musicians, or whether there was simply an error to begin with in the text that was printed on the original self-release artwork.

Edit 2: I've asked him on Facebook if he can throw any light on this for us.

Let's see if he responds. Smile


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^ Thanks, David.

As I can see, the album info is without 'seemingly' now. Let's leave it as it is, at least to the moment when the light will be shined.
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^ Thanks, Mayer, done.
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Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:

^ Thanks, David.

As I can see, the album info is without 'seemingly' now. Let's leave it as it is, at least to the moment when the light will be shined.
I asked him a long question on Facebook, to which he has given me a short answer. This was my question to him:

Hello.

We are trying to bring your album W.A.L.H.F. MORE F. (With A Little Hell From MORE Friends) up to date on Progarchives, but there is confusion regarding the cover, and also the details for track 8: "Kobaïan call to war (Part 2)".

I think we have managed to establish that the original grey cover was probably designed for the self-released digital version of the album, and the yellow/orange one for the Azafrán Media CD and the current digital album that's available on Bandcamp.

Track 8 "Kobaïan call to war (Part 2)" appears to differ between the two versions though. The self-released version is of 2:57 duration, featuring Antonio Garcidueñas on drums and Armando Lagarda on rhythm guitar, with only Samo salamon contributing guitar solos to the track.

However, the Azafrán Media CD and current Bandcamp digital version is of 3:09 length, featuring Tatsuya Yoshida on drums, no rhythm guitar, and three guitarists contributing solos to the track.

Both versions of the track are shown on Discogs with Hey Figueroa on bass, whereas in the text featured on the original artwork it suggests that Sterbus (Emanuele Sterbini) played bass on the 2:57 self-released version.

Have there really been two distinct versions of this track recorded with different line-ups, or is the 2:57 version with the different line-up simply the result of a printing error with the original self-release artwork?

Thanks.

And this was his reply:

Hi! The bandcamp version and credits for the last song are the right ones. The cover you've updated in this yellow tone is right too, in order the printed version (CD) is in this yellow tone. Thanks for contact me, regards!!!

So, he doesn't really confirm or deny in that reply that an alternative version of track 8 has ever existed in the past, but he does confirm that our line-up for this track as we have it now, and the colour of the album cover, are the correct ones.

With that in mind, maybe it would be best to just assume that an alternative version with a different line-up has never actually existed, remove different cover, contains different version of track 8 played by different line-up) from our line about the digital album, and just say "Digital album (July 9, 2024)". I'm pretty sure that if a previous alternative version of that track really had existed at some point, he would have said so in his reply. Smile

- E&O Team: Thanks, David, done.


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^ Thanks, Mayer, done.
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Originally posted by yam yam yam yam wrote:

With that in mind, maybe it would be best to just assume that an alternative version with a different line-up has never actually existed, remove different cover, contains different version of track 8 played by different line-up) from our line about the digital album, and just say "Digital album (July 9, 2024)". I'm pretty sure that if a previous alternative version of that track really had existed at some point, he would have said so in his reply. Smile

- E&O Team: Thanks, David, done.
Thumbs Up This assumption is further supported by the fact that the album was uploaded to some file sharing sites in the 2nd week of August this year - as a self-release, with the original grey cover, and the duration of the last track given as 2:57 in the accompanying description. Out of curiosity, I downloaded the file and played the last track on my computer. As I expected, the track was actually 3:09 in length, and sounded identical to the current equivalent on Bandcamp.
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