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siLLy puPPy
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Pawn Hearts is a grower. It's what i call mature difficult listening music for seasoned proggers. It took me years before it clicked and now it's probably a top 10 of all time of any album. At least top 20
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Cristi
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it's called progressive alterative rock.
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"Pralt"?
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^ well virtually every site on the web considers them both prog. Prog is a huge spectrum from prog light to mind f**k prog Pink Floyd is on the borderline as well but still considered prog Epic sprawling tunes with rich atmospheric richness In the end i don't care what it's called. I still love me some PT :)
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^ actually it does. If every site calls them prog and i would have to agree that they are as well, then the consensus is that they ARE prog. You seem to be the only one who doesn't agree. You're outvoted. Sorry.
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Only Marillion and Arena have achieved any real commmercial success. Arena were well backed by their record company in the 90's. IQ could have been commercially sucessful if Peter Nicholls had hung around after The Wake. Their only charting album was that album (no 70 for one week in the UK charts , wow that really moved the needle!!) and they were signed up by a big label with Paul Menel at the helm. They were supposed to do what Marillion did but it never happened. In the 90's they formed GEP records and helped to foster newish prog bands like Threshold and Spocks Beard. It was never a massive thing though and Martin Orford left the band in the 00's to become a lorry driver as he was disillusioned by the lack of reward for the work. Marillion have remained the only consistently sucessful Neo Prog band but they are on a different level to any anyone else. I am an IQ fan. Generally all their albums are rated about right. They are consistent in quality. Some will say their last album Resistance is overrated. Personally the only one I think of that about is The Road Of Bones. It's often held up as their masterpiece nowadays but it doesn't do any anything different to earlier albums such as The Seventh House and Dark Matter. They are all about the same level. I would actually put Frequency slightly above for the drumming of Andy Edwards, now a popular you tuber who also played on Frost* Milliontown.
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Hi,
I, honestly, can not say much about all this ... since I do not look at artists as a commercial this or that and consider them "overrated" or "underrated" ... it is what it is, let's say, and I do think that it was the Internet that infused and nurtured, the chance for many bands to get better, and more attention ... but not everyone was as well attuned to the computer world, as some folks that came out of that time really well, and succeeded from it. Today ... the comments, and lists, I tend to think, really hurt the whole thing. In the early days, it was that we were not listed anywhere, that gave us the name and the sales ... today, this is rarely the case, and not being mentioned or seen on the Internet, is the best case to go back to getting a job and quit the art of the music, since now you have a child and ... and ... sometimes ... it's hard to NOT think that the majority of stuff listed out there, is the same ... format, sound, solo ... with a handful of bands that are different and stand out ... but too many things are far out, and now and then ... get some attention, but not the wider appreciation that they likely deserve and should have because too many folks would rather hide behind the "overrated" and "underrated" ideas ... instead of listening to the music. I don't like "ethnocentric" ideas ... and sometimes, for me, the this and that ... becomes an excuse to put down something or other, while lifting your favorite ... by burying the "competition".
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Pawn Hearts was my second exposure to Van der Graaf Generator after World Record. Although it took a few listens to World Record for me to fully appreciate it, Pawn Hearts was an instant love. It was the music I had not realised was missing from my life. It became my all-time favourite album and remains such to this day. No other album by anyone (including VdGG) even comes close. Thus, with its current position at #12 in the all-time top 100 PA albums, I consider it to be underrated, though I do acknowledge that the music of Pawn Hearts is not for everyone. |
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A highly praised album that I consider to be overrated, even though I do like the album, is King Crimson - Red. Listening to the album, it seems to me to have fewer musical ideas than an album as highly praised as Red ought to have.
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Bravo! My thoughts exactly!
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Cristi
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^ Now Red is overrated, too. An album so influential... I don't get it...
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Fallen
Angel presents a more refined sound, yet nothing special really;
Providence is an experimental and improvisational track that sounds
rather dated now, in my view. Although the album, interspersed with
improvisational and jazz influences, may be enjoyable for enthusiasts of
the heavy sound, I must admit that Red has always left me pretty
indifferent in comparison with, for instance, the first four KC albums.
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Hi, May I correct this line? ... LOUDER ... not exactly more splendour. (below for fun!!!) Let's see ... in your cannon ... Mona Lisa is overrated! Guernica is a sort of toilet bowl! Miro is a bunch of color lines to psychedelicize your mind! Beethoven is boring and a hacker! The Beatles were cardboard! Hard rock was invented by others, not the 3 you mention I don't think! You like the melodic hard rock stuff! Odd time signatures are meaningless in one's listening experience! Abba's girls were not as nice looking as Playboy! (... and besides, Priscilla -- (that movie) was much better and more fun!)! Madonna was still a virgin! .... fun times, let me tell you!
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I thought LTIA was more ground-breaking (Jamie Muir!), and higher energy. SBB had better composition than Red in my opinion, but that LP doesn't seem to garner the love that Red draws. I think that the "metallic" sound of Red drew younger listeners, and is more contemporary than LTIA or SBBB. However, Red doesn't have a song that equals LTIA Part 2 or Fracture IMHO, except for the amazing "Starless." |
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