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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

Chocolate Kings is PFM's greatest album


Still peak PFM, so that's not a hot take.

I meant to get back to you on this; Chocolate Kings was somehat of a divisive record; some fans did not like new lead singer Bernardo Lanzetti, due to his vocal style or the English lyrics, and yearned for the earlier sound of the band...to say it is their best album would, indeed, be a stretch for many.....
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Starshiper Starshiper wrote:

"Tormato"—a testament to Yes' willingness to push boundaries, an album that acknowledges the rather eclectic taste of its admirers, was alienating their wider audience—is certainly not a record for everyone. For the uninitiated or the casual Yes listeners, "Tormato" really can feel like if they are attending a long cricket match.

So whoever does not like Tormato is "Uninitiated" or just a "casual listener"?! LOL I am neither and I've thought much of this album. And i have tried to get into it, believe that. Ermm

I also don't think they were trying to push boundaries when story goes they were pressured to make a new album rather quickly after the success of GTFO. So Tormato was basically a contractual obligation. 

One can't really talk about "Tormato" without mentioning the rather important role the then-new synthesisers played in the making of the album. The late 1970s were a time of fast-growing interest in electronic instruments, and Yes was among the forerunners within this trend. Synthesisers allowed a wider range of tones, which allowed the band to experiment with textures and instrumentation. The synthesiser's usage on "Tormato" represents a significant leap for Yes into new sounds. Wakeman had modified his keyboard setup to include the Birotron, a tape replay keyboard that he had co-funded during its creation and production four years prior, and the Polymoog, a polyphonic analogue synthesiser that he said was mostly used for "soloing and filling," and all of it works majestically on "Tormato," the album whose only real flaw is (again) a non-Roger Dean sleeve design.
Personally, I always imagined flying saucers playing music like "Arriving UFO," a track that was/is repeatedly bashed by those with limited understanding of British and European progressive music. Not only did this predict the neo-prog trends that were yet to come in the 1980s, but it also further emphasised how Yes was committed to innovation. It showed that Yes could adopt modernity while furthering their artistic boundaries. Also often bashed, "Circus of Heaven" is indeed an original song that produced a fanciful ambient rock tapestry.
Unlike the previous "Going for the One" album, which sounds very serious and classic, "Tormato" allows the band to have more fun with melodies.
Steve Howe's guitar sounds like a forerunner to Mike Oldfield on his '80s records; however, it's better guitar work than the 80s Oldfield.
Alan White shines as well. He is most known for his solo in "Release, Release," but his drumming in "On the Silent Wings of Freedom" is truly outstanding. As that song begins in a triumphant manner, Chris Squire dominates with his octave-length slides and extracts a fairly distinctive tone from his bass. In "On the Silent Wings of Freedom," one of the greatest Yessongs, Squire's bass roars and spits like a thunderstorm.
Regarding bonus tracks, they are absolute winners that make the admission fee alone worthwhile. For instance, the song "Money" is unlike anything the band has ever recorded before.


It's an okay album. I remember it being the first Yes album I ever heard and it was a while before I bothered listening to anything else by them. It wasn't particularly cutting edge at the time, mostly prog was getting left behind especially in the use of synths excepting for the likes of Tangerine Dream (assuming they are prog) and the likes of Vangelis and JM Jarre. Yes were also splitting apart as a band but at least had the last one great hurrah with Drama before they descended into the 80's AOR scene. Personally I like Release Release a lot. I roomed with an AC/DC fan in the early 80's and he loved playing my copy of Tormato just for that although I'm not sure he liked anything else on that album. It is quite eclectic and book ended by a couple of great tracks. Overall it fails to satisfy though and this is from a band that hasd hit some massive highs. Sub par Yes anyone? Not many like it that much and it just reminds us that prog was in decline ultimately, at least ELP were still doing side long suites!
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I love how subjective music tastes can be! I totally agree with you on 'A Momentary Lapse of Reason'—it doesn't get enough credit for its atmosphere and mood. And yes, 'Think of Me with Kindness' is an underrated gem! Music's beauty lies in these unique perspectives
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To me, 'The Present' by The Moody Blues is a total five-star gem from the 1980s because the album is packed with stunning tracks that really capture a unique vibe, and Patrick Moraz’s synthesizer playing is absolutely fantastic!
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These days, 'Book of Saturday' is the only track from LTiA that still feels fresh to me.
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Originally posted by Zappastolethetowels Zappastolethetowels wrote:

Originally posted by ThyroidGlands ThyroidGlands wrote:

TOAPP is better than Discipline. that is indeed a hot take


Positively
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Originally posted by ThyroidGlands ThyroidGlands wrote:

TOAPP is better than Discipline. that is indeed a hot take
Animals is overrated. one of my favs - not their best so to speak
Camel is very boring, and Mirage is one of the most overrated prog albums. love Moonmadness & Sinclair era
CTTE has a perfect side an and a decent side b. It's a highly overrated album. only 'decent' track is AYAI imo, hard to think if a more consistent prog album in general thus the acclaim imo
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TOAPP is better than Discipline.
Animals is overrated.
Camel is very boring, and Mirage is one of the most overrated prog albums.
CTTE has a perfect side a and a decent side b. It's a highly overrated album.
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Originally posted by ObeisantBread84PROG ObeisantBread84PROG wrote:

My Hot takes:

Ian Anderson is one of the best lyricists in all of prog


I politely disagree...I consider Dave Cousins to be the best lyricist in all of prog...

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Aqualung > Thick as a Brick
Absolutely
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Originally posted by ObeisantBread84PROG ObeisantBread84PROG wrote:

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Atom Heart Mother > Echoes
No
Lizard (the king crimson album) kind of sucks in my opinion
No
Styx is super underrated
Overrated
Jazz Fusion is the most boring type of jazz, Would much rather listen to Jazz-Rock, Hard Bop, smooth jazz, or Swing
Some Days I agree
Dark Side of the Moon and In the Court of the Crimson King are NOT overrated, they are some of the best albums ever made
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Going for the one is the weakest of the original 11 yes albums
Yes!!
Fragile > Close to the edge
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Aqualung > Thick as a Brick
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Ian Anderson is one of the best lyricists in all of prog
Agree
Good Prog music still exists today
Seldom but yeah
Mannfred Mann is great
He sure is
LONG SEASON is a prog song
No wiser am I
Days Of future Passed is the best album ever made
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Mirage is slightly overrated: Agree
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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

Chocolate Kings is PFM's greatest album


Still peak PFM, so that's not a hot take.

Looking at ratings, it very much is.


Excellent addition to any prog rock music collection

I knew some guys way back when who considered ChocK their favorite PFM album.

Maybe if he said Jet Lag...
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MEAT is the best song Manfred Mann ever did.  
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Originally posted by ObeisantBread84PROG ObeisantBread84PROG wrote:

My Hot takes:

Atom Heart Mother > Echoes
There you lost me already in the very beginning, and it goes on as if the two of us are really opposite prog listeners, but then, at least:
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Dark Side of the Moon and In the Court of the Crimson King are NOT overrated, they are some of the best albums ever made

Mannfred Mann is great
I'm fine with these two (except Manfred's name Tongue).
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

Chocolate Kings is PFM's greatest album


Still peak PFM, so that's not a hot take.
Looking at ratings, it very much is.
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My Hot takes:

Atom Heart Mother > Echoes

Lizard (the king crimson album) kind of sucks in my opinion

Styx is super underrated

Jazz Fusion is the most boring type of jazz, Would much rather listen to Jazz-Rock, Hard Bop, smooth jazz, or Swing

Dark Side of the Moon and In the Court of the Crimson King are NOT overrated, they are some of the best albums ever made

Going for the one is the weakest of the original 11 yes albums

Fragile > Close to the edge

Aqualung > Thick as a Brick

Ian Anderson is one of the best lyricists in all of prog

Good Prog music still exists today

Mannfred Mann is great

LONG SEASON is a prog song

Days Of future Passed is the best album ever made

Mirage is slightly overrated
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^^ When talking about modern artwork, I actually think that much of it could be a lot better, like for instance the poppy stuff of Hand. Cannot. Erase (2015), but I like for instance the one of the two first Riverside albums.


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Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

Chocolate Kings is PFM's greatest album


Still peak PFM, so that's not a hot take.
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Chocolate Kings is PFM's greatest album

Wallenstein's No More Love is that band's greatest record.....

The Mahavishnu Orchestra album Apocalypse is a failed effort....it goes nowhere.....
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I find Green Carnation's Acoustic Verses (2005) much better than Opeth's Damnation (2003). Actually, I find it to be something of a modern masterpiece, even it works definitely best to me when listening to the tracks in another order than the original, and artwork could surely be better.
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