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Originally posted by ObeisantBread84 ObeisantBread84 wrote:

Out of the top 20, I would probably say the most overrated is Pawn Hearts. It's fine and all but definitely overrated. However, I have yet to hear Godbluff, Moonmadness, or Per Un Amico so it is possible one of those might be more overrated then pawn hearts.


Pawn Hearts is a grower. It's what i call mature difficult listening music for seasoned proggers. It took me years before it clicked and now it's probably a top 10 of all time of any album. At least top 20

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Originally posted by Starshiper Starshiper wrote:

Originally posted by ThyroidGlands ThyroidGlands wrote:

For example, I feel that everything PT and Wilson did is highly overrated. Honestly, I tried many times to listen to their music, and it doesn’t appeal to me at all.
PT and Wilson are actually alt-rock, not progressive rock.

it's called progressive alterative rock. Big smile
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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Originally posted by Starshiper Starshiper wrote:

Originally posted by ThyroidGlands ThyroidGlands wrote:

For example, I feel that everything PT and Wilson did is highly overrated. Honestly, I tried many times to listen to their music, and it doesn’t appeal to me at all.
PT and Wilson are actually alt-rock, not progressive rock.


Not true. They're both. There are many albums from both SW and PT that are prog. Melodic prog with catchy pop hooks sure, but definitely prog.
Porcupine Tree and Steven Wilson, who initially emerged as a slightly psychedelic alternative rock ensemble with a long tail rooted in post-punk, can occasionally be described as “proggy” at their most ambitious. However, PT and Wilson never released a true progressive rock or progressive metal album; their sound is fundamentally characterised as alternative rock or alternative metal.
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^ well virtually every site on the web considers them both prog.
Prog is a huge spectrum from prog light to mind f**k prog
Pink Floyd is on the borderline as well but still considered prog
Epic sprawling tunes with rich atmospheric richness
In the end i don't care what it's called. I still love me some PT :)

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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

^ well virtually every site on the web considers them both prog.
I'm afraid that's irrelevant. For example, in this site database, one can find a bunch of post-rock and even 80s post-punk bands. Are they progressive rock bands now only because somebody added them to this database? No.
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^ actually it does. If every site calls them prog and i would have to agree that they are as well, then the consensus is that they ARE prog. You seem to be the only one who doesn't agree. You're outvoted. Sorry.

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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

^ actually it does. If every site calls them prog and i would have to agree that they are as well, then the consensus is that they ARE prog.
It does not because those with a limited grasp of British and European progressive music tend to include non-progressive bands in progressive music databases simply because they enjoy those bands. Such characters perceive tagging their favourite quirky band as progressive to be a badge of honour, believing that their beloved alternative rock band is somehow lesser if it isn't featured in the progressive site database. In addition, some "connoisseurs" were merely infants during the 1970s or even being born after that decade and thus did not experience the zeitgeist; as a result, they lack a true understanding of what progressive rock entails.
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Originally posted by Starshiper Starshiper wrote:

Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Originally posted by Starshiper Starshiper wrote:

Originally posted by ThyroidGlands ThyroidGlands wrote:

For example, I feel that everything PT and Wilson did is highly overrated. Honestly, I tried many times to listen to their music, and it doesn’t appeal to me at all.
PT and Wilson are actually alt-rock, not progressive rock.


Not true. They're both. There are many albums from both SW and PT that are prog. Melodic prog with catchy pop hooks sure, but definitely prog.
Porcupine Tree and Steven Wilson, who initially emerged as a slightly psychedelic alternative rock ensemble with a long tail rooted in post-punk, can occasionally be described as “proggy” at their most ambitious. However, PT and Wilson never released a true progressive rock or progressive metal album; their sound is fundamentally characterised as alternative rock or alternative metal.
For sure. Porcupine Tree & Steven Wilson first vibed off Pink Floyd, but they've really carved out their own sound that mixes alt-rock with some proggy flair, all while keeping a unique identity that pulls in elements of both alt-rock & alternative metal.
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Originally posted by Starshiper Starshiper wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

This may cause severe outrage, but I think all of Neo-Prog (minus Frost* and Sanguine Hum) is overrated.

Overrated?! I don't see it. 

Sure, I can think of a few neo-prog albums I find overrated, but the genre as a whole, it's not. In fact is one of the least liked prog subgenres, on PA and i imagine elsewhere as well. 
In fact, sales figures indicate otherwise. While Neo-Prog bands may not attain the same level of mainstream recognition as pop or rock superstars, many have enjoyed commendable sales figures within their niche. For instance, Marillion has sold over 15 million albums globally since the release of Script for a Jester's Tear; their annual convention events draw hundreds of fans who purchase tickets well in advance. Their most recent album, "An Hour Before It's Dark", entered the UK Albums Chart at No. 2. Other Neo-Prog bands, such as IQ, Pallas, and Pendragon, are performing well in terms of both album sales and concert ticket sales; they got favourable reception from fans and critics regarding their latest albums.
Furthermore, it's important to note that most people out there associate "prog" with the Neo-prog sound.

Only Marillion and Arena have achieved any real commmercial success. Arena were well backed by their record company in the 90's. IQ could have been commercially sucessful if Peter Nicholls had hung around after The Wake. Their only charting album was that album (no 70 for one week in the UK charts , wow that really moved the needle!!) and they were signed up by a big label with Paul Menel at the helm. They were supposed to do what Marillion did but it never happened. In the 90's they formed GEP records and helped to foster newish prog bands like Threshold and Spocks Beard. It was never a massive thing though and Martin Orford left the band in the 00's to become a lorry driver as he was disillusioned by the lack of reward for the work. Marillion have remained the only consistently sucessful Neo Prog band but they are on a different level to any anyone else. I am an IQ fan. Generally all their albums are rated about right. They are consistent in quality. Some will say their last album Resistance is overrated. Personally the only one I think of that about is The Road Of Bones. It's often held up as their masterpiece nowadays but it doesn't do any anything different to earlier albums such as The Seventh House and Dark Matter. They are all about the same level. I would actually put Frequency slightly above for the drumming of Andy Edwards, now a popular you tuber who also played on Frost* Milliontown.


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