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    Posted: November 27 2024 at 17:48
Well, that's everything. The idea for this post came to me from this thread: https://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=132123

I'll start with Moonmadness and Mirage, albums currently ranked at #15 and #16.
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In the Court....

The first and last songs are good. All else is filler and the weird passage in Moonchild is icky.
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^ my favourite track on In the Court of the Crimson King is "Epitaph". And I really like "I Talk to the Wind". Different strokes for different folks obviously.

I know we had a very similar older thread to this (many in fact). Some do complain at overrated being used, some might say, not another negative topic. And some say that it is all rated just right. I guess I could say that most, if not all, popular to some extent art that is praised is overrated. I would also argue that if it's popular it's expected that it would be underrated by some too. Based on my subjective biases, I do consider Yes' Close to the Edge to be a very popular album that is overrated. I could mention many others that are popular here. And fans overrate by the nature of being fans. There have been people here who who think that I have overrated albums by my favourite bands, and overrated my favourite bands just because that music/style is not to their tastes. Calling something overrated does usually just boil down to "I don't like it as much as others", which is pretty shallow.

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Everything Rush & Dream Theater ever released (where is the hiding under the chair emoji when u need it?)
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Court is def overrated

Camel as a band, not so much

CTTE is definitely not 
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

^ my favourite track on In the Court of the Crimson King is "Epitaph". And I really like "I Talk to the Wind". Different strokes for different folks obviously.

Based on my subjective biases, I do consider Yes' Close to the Edge to be a very popular album that is overrated. I could mention many others that are popular here. And fans overrate by the nature of being fans. There have been people here who who think that I have overrated albums by my favourite bands, and overrated my favourite bands just because that music/style is not to their tastes. Calling something overrated does usually just boil down to "I don't like it as much as others", which is pretty shallow.

Obviously, whether something is overrated or not is up to each individual. Ah, and I also think the same about "Close to the Edge". But not about "In The Court...". I think it's an almost perfect album... Although the improvised section of "Moonchild" is clearly the weak point.
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Originally posted by Zappastolethetowels Zappastolethetowels wrote:

Everything Rush & Dream Theater ever released (where is the hiding under the chair emoji when u need it?)

I think I agree with Rush. I'm not a big fan of their music, although I love Geddy, Alex and Neil.

And well... DT has been quite plastic since Systematic Chaos.
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Originally posted by ThyroidGlands ThyroidGlands wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

^ my favourite track on In the Court of the Crimson King is "Epitaph". And I really like "I Talk to the Wind". Different strokes for different folks obviously.

Based on my subjective biases, I do consider Yes' Close to the Edge to be a very popular album that is overrated. I could mention many others that are popular here. And fans overrate by the nature of being fans. There have been people here who who think that I have overrated albums by my favourite bands, and overrated my favourite bands just because that music/style is not to their tastes. Calling something overrated does usually just boil down to "I don't like it as much as others", which is pretty shallow.


Obviously, whether something is overrated or not is up to each individual. Ah, and I also think the same about "Close to the Edge". But not about "In The Court...". I think it's an almost perfect album... Although the improvised section of "Moonchild" is clearly the weak point.


Well then...
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From The Top Twenty:
Selling England By The Pound
Moonmadness
In The Court Of The Crimson King
Fragile
Thick As A Brick
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Jagga Jazzist's 'One-Armed Bandit,' Wobbler's 'From Silence to Somewhere,' Airbag's 'A Day at the Beach,' to name a few.
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Selling England By The Pound. I find it quite boring honestly.
Thick as a Brick is an excellent album but the JT materpiece for me is Aqualung. TAAB is a great 30 minute suite if you cut out about 10 minutes of fillers used to fill the LP



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Looking at PA's top albums, I find all of these fifteen albums from "top 40" overrated. Because I don't like 'em as much as others:

Selling England by the Pound (love 2/3ds of it)
The Dark Side of the Moon (love 2/3ds of it)
Animals
Moving Pictures
Hemispheres
Kind of Blue (it's great, but come on!)
Si on avait besoin d'une cinquième saison
Hybris
From Silence to Somewhere
Crime of the Century
Metropolis Part 2 - Scenes from a Memory
The Raven That Refused to Sing
Scheherazade and Other Stories (never warmed up to Song of Scheherazade)
Birds of Fire
Images and Words

Neither Close to the Edge nor Thick as a Brick (+ countless other praised albums not included on my list) are personal favorites of mine, but acknowledge their greatness, and don't consider them to be overrated. In the Court of the Crimson King is perfection to me. Thinking of Epitaph as "filler" is... I don't know what. I think its a timeless masterpiece.
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Never see the point of these threads tbh... beyond an opportunity for members to bash all the albums I have in my collection...

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Sad to see a lot of albums here considered overrated. I get it, it's very subjective, but how are some groundbreaking influential albums mentioned here overrated, it's beyond me. Unhappy
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The word "overrated" is nonsense. Releases are rated as they are. Saying that they are "overrated" suggests that your opinion of how they should be rated trumps that of those who submitted the ratings.

What is certainly true is that your own "top 50 prog releases" list will not match the one based on overall ratings. As an example, I don't really like 70s Genesis. It seems so whiny and pretentious/pompous/overblown to me that I only rarely listen to it. At the same time I can see why people rate these releases highly. But I would not call them "overrated". 
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^in my defense I did write:
Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Because I don't like 'em as much as others:
It was just something to do while having my morning coffee.

Anyway, as I've said before if you don't like a topic or a discussion, why not just stay away from it? Some people enjoy telling the world that they find Selling England By the Pound overrated (because The Battle of Epping Forest is awful and More Fool Me kinda lame), others don't.

Is it really any better to write that 70's Genesis is "whiny and pretentious/pompous/overblown" to you? Overrated means "person or thing is considered to be better or more important than they really are". That's not nonsense to me. I understand it's meaning and I'm gonna use it as part of my subjective opinion - that I consider to be correct.
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Originally posted by ThyroidGlands ThyroidGlands wrote:

Well, that's everything. The idea for this post came to me from this thread: https://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=132123

I'll start with Moonmadness and Mirage, albums currently ranked at #15 and #16.
There are several "overrated" albums I could mention, but Moonmadness and Mirage are not amongst them. Smile 
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I don't think any of the classic top 100 prog albums are overrated. Smile
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Thinking of Epitaph as "filler" is... I don't know what. I think its a timeless masterpiece.
I could say the same of your past comments that the album "Romantic Warrior" and Allan Holdsworth's playing is crap. Who cares? I like Rush more than KC but I'm not questioning others' opinions about Rush.

BTW, three members have already commented that the Court is overrated.

And another album I don't care for but gets heaps of praise is Robert Wyatt's Rock Bottom.

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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Thinking of Epitaph as "filler" is... I don't know what. I think its a timeless masterpiece.
I could say the same of your past comments that the album "Romantic Warrior" and Allan Holdsworth's playing is crap. Who cares? I like Rush more than KC but I'm not questioning others' opinions about Rush.

BTW, three members have already commented that the Court is overrated.
I don't "care" as such. I have opinions, you have opinions, but it's not important or hurtful to me that you don't enjoy "Epitaph". Just a headscratcher I guess. Having opinions about music is the sole reason I write anything here at all.
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