What are you Listening to Right Now? Febus XXII |
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Dug Pinnick - Thingamajigger (LP, 2024)
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Indeed, in fact when I ordered the Von Karajan I also ordered a Karl Bohm version to compare & contrast. I will consider the Gardiner as well. My intro to Requiem was when my Dad took me to Amadeus in '84. Fascinating how unwell Mozart was when he was writing it, and how much you can hear when his pupil took over composition halfway through. Thanks Jared. |
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John Lennon - Imagine
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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Terreno Baldio - Além Das Lendas Brasileiras |
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RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on!
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Kenso - II
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RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on!
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Lab˙rinth - Sons Of Thunder (2001)
Euro prog-power, more power than prog, decent, catchy. It's got a weird cover, i won't post it, i don't know what were they aiming for...
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Jared
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I think you'll find the Bohm and the Karajan (I know both) quite similar in terms of style and forces used... if you can tell them apart, you've got a fine ear. Their style is very typical of how Mozart was interpreted post-War, thru the 80's; large forces, heavy instrumentation, with a thick, velvety texture. Now don't get me wrong, they are fine interpretations in their own right, but nothing like Mozart envisaged. During this era, there was an idea that you could interpret Mozart and Mahler in a similar vein... well, to a degree you can do that with most Romantic composers such as Brahms, Mendelssohn and Schumann, but when you go back to the Classical era of Mozart & Haydn, who played on older instruments with a smaller orchestra (remember Haydn's Orch was in the pay of the Esterhazy household and even they couldn't have afforded the Berliner!) the sound, how they understood it would have been much lighter, without several heavy layers of varnish? Gardiner was among the pioneers of what came to be termed 'HIP' or 'Historically Informed Performance' in an attempt to re-create that sound. In many ways he has now been superseded, but his Requiem remains a cornerstone recording and one I'd love you to hear, when considering different versions of a piece you evidently love?
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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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Atavachron
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^ That's extremely interesting. I can tell the Bohm and Karajan apart ~ just ~ but they are very similar in approach. The Bohm is a bit slower in tempo and a bit darker in tone, and the recording is deeper and not quite as bright in timbre as the Karajan. It is more foreboding.
I will look into the Gardiner and his contextual approach as soon as possible. Always a challenge to be open to a version one is not accustomed to, but Gardiner's chrono-centric orientation sounds well worth my attention. |
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Jared
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^^ yes, you are spot on... Bohm tended to be a little slower in tempo than Karajan, but then a little quicker than his predecessor at the helm of the Wiener, Otto Klemperer. All of their interpretations have great artistic merit in their own right.
however, there tends to be a 'best avoid' in these things, and here we have it: Karajan thought it would be a good idea to release an album of Baroque bon-bons (ie music from 1650-1730) using the Berliner forces.. and frankly, it's ridiculous...
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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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Atavachron
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^ Ah, I noticed that and liked the cover... good to know.
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Jared
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anyone with Karajan's profile and personality had his supporters and his detractors. he died in 1989 and with the passage of time, a more level-headed view of his artistic achievements have been taken.
Karajan was a first-rate conductor and anything you buy of his, will have something to say about the piece in question, but the common view held is that he was at his very best when it comes to the Germanic late romantics... his interpretations of Bruckner, Richard Strauss, early Schoenberg and the Mahler he did are all absolutely top drawer.. in fact, it is such a terrible shame he only recorded 4 Mahler symphonies (4,5,6 & 9), of which, the last three are amongst the very best. His 1964 Beethoven Symphonies and his 70's Brahms are also extremely good, but after that, there tend to be more satisfying interpretations out in a crowded marketplace than those achieved by Karajan at the height of his powers in the 60's and 70's...
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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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Atavachron
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Well I'm big Schoenberg fan, and Beethoven's 7th (second movement) is among a favorite.
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