Grateful Dead for Prog Related?

^^ I wasn't trying to imply that that is a reason to exclude the Dead if that's how you perceived it. Others might think that. I've posted so much in this topic that it can be easy to lose the greater context in very selective quoting. That was just a little comment linking to something Richard said (think that's quite clear if one's been reading through the posts sequentially). I didn't add JA, but I have supported it and I support a lot of related music that was included in PA. As I said, I don't know Dead very well, but there is lot of bluesy psych music (and jammy music) in PA that I do support (lots in Psychedelic Prog, Krautrock, find stuff in Related etc.)

I appreciate the diversity of PA as I have been saying. I like that so many movements and styles are present.

Edited by Logan - November 22 2024 at 01:06

Logan wrote: The Grateful Dead is a different movement from tat British progressive movement (or movements) and that should be recognised.

Of course the Grateful Dead belongs to a different movement from the British progressive rock movement, but you've gone and included Jefferson Airplane in the database, haven't you? One mustn’t forget that both the Grateful Dead and Jefferson Airplane were integral to the same U.S. psychedelic rock movement. Both bands emerged from the same cultural milieu—the San Francisco music scene. So, really, that rather flimsy argument for excluding the Dead doesn't hold water, does it?

Apologies, I was not attentive enough and had not read through David's (Atavachron) post before about being progressive carefully.

I have little opinion on the Grateful Dead other than I would not support it based on what I have read over the years (not to mention that it was rejected) but I, for my cans of worms examples, have should support for both Cream and Quicksilver Messenger Service for Proto-Prog or maybe Psych for QMS. Not saying I would add those, or they should be in, but I think they are not really unreasonable to me (using those as bluesy jammy bands with psychedelic and experimental music examples).

Cream has direct relations with acts included in PA, I think it is significant to the progression of rock in the 60s, and it has quirky music with what I think of as progressive qualities. Quicksilver Messenger Service may not have progressed much as a band, but I find the earlier material to be musically relevant to other music at this site. I only know the 60s material well.

Progressive can mean different things. One might describe progressive rock as rock without boundaries and rock that breaks free of rock's genre conventions. And music that progresses what rock can be and do. So unconventional rock. Rock without limits. It can be a genre with subcategories as most defined by certain bands and their followers. Progressive can refer to the way music shifts in track. It can be an approach, style, developments in the music itself, developments over time, an adjective, a noun.....

With Prog as a "proper" genre, I tend to think in narrower terms, but Prog Archives has embraced a very wide diversity of music that can fits more than traditional notions of Prog. I like that because it has more music of interest to me and I have discovered more music of interest to me because of it.

If talking those bluesy Psych jam bands, you;re much more likely to find music in common with other acts in the Psych category and Krautrock than in Symphonic Prog or Neo-Prog. I'm glad that so much experimental and art music has been included in PA, and I'm glad there is diversity. It is good to understand the history and to know how things have changed and more styles and approaches have been adopted. The Grateful Dead is a different movement from tat British progressive movement (or movements) and that should be recognised. As for bad and good, that's so subjective. What's good experimental music to me may be bad to another, and what;s good conventional music to another may be bad to/for me and vice versa. Beauty and worth often is in the ear of the behearer. There is much melodic rock in PA loved by many that is almost unbearable for me to listen to, and to some music which I even find beautiful others just describe as noise or non-music.

Edited by Logan - November 22 2024 at 00:32

^ To me experimental commonly IS progressive. I think that fits ideas of progressive according to lots of music that we be included here. "Cavlary" would not be out place in the Psych category here to me. A lot of Psych and Krautrock fist the more bluesy and experimental and jammy mode, and I tend to prefer that stuff to Symphonic Prog.

If this was all about Prog generic kinds of music (a lot of which is not even truly progressive in an adjectival sense), well this site would be VERY boring to me. We embrace lots of experimental, progressive and art music here.

Edited by Logan - November 21 2024 at 20:32

Are they? Not sure why or how you would demonstrate a lack of progessiveness to the music. To me those both would be fine in Proto-Prog and while I could try to demonstrate again why I think Cream does have progressive qualities, I don;re really care if either was added.

I put this under progressive for instance, if others don't, that's fine. Just as as awesome to me however you classify it. An awesome 1969 release.

This is Cavalry in case the video does not show for any.



Edited by Logan - November 21 2024 at 19:35

For a couple of jammy bands that I have thought PA would benefit from having in before, Cream, and more relevant especially Quicksilver Messenger Service. The debut and the live Happy Trails are at least very significant to me. There is a lot of classic Psych related music that could be considerable. Maybe at some time QMS, then everything jammy else....

A can of jam with worms in it or a jam made out of worms does not sound appetising.

Edited by Logan - November 21 2024 at 16:28

Grateful Dead's 13 Studio Albums

Cristi wrote: ... What was the point of your post here? Just more jibber-jabber. You haven't even shown if you'd be for or against the inclusion of the band.  "Another nobody to PA's listing? " What's that supposed to mean? Rather rude i dare say. So a new band or a lesser known band/artist is a "nobody"?  ...

I'd love to see Grateful Dead added to PA and with 13 studio albums and 9 official live albums (according to Wikipedia), maybe one doesn't need to enter The Twilight Zone to catalogue all of their albums after all.