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Posted: July 19 2024 at 09:43

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1. Chains of Changes (6:20)
2. Behave (5:48)
3. Take Me to the River (5:05)
4. Come to Light (5:08)
5. Golden Circle (4:34)
6. To What End? (5:34)
7. Today Tonight Tomorrow (6:04)
8. World of Wonder (1:32)
9. Mother (5:32)
10. Something in the Water (5:42)
11. This is the End (9:32)

Total Time 60:51

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Posted: July 19 2024 at 10:35

^ Thanks Mayer, done.

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Posted: July 20 2024 at 16:03

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TwentyFour or Twenty Four

Kind of mess

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Label: Whistling Sam Projects (WSP001)

Formats: Vinyl (Black, Blue, Ltd 300. Yellow Dinked), CD, Digital

May 24, 2024

- Gavin Baker / guitar

- Howard Monk / drums

- Hywell Dinsdale / bass, guitar

- Kevin Penney / bass, guitar

1. Atomic Clock (4:55)
2. Kaiju (4:51)
3. Hearts vs Minds (3:22)
4. Spy Guy (7:23)
5. The More I Know You (5:09)
6. Impossible Sky (4:21)
7. Tributer (5:37)
8. Dry Season (6:46)

Total Time 42:24

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Posted: July 20 2024 at 19:27

^ Thanks Mayer, both done.

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Posted: July 23 2024 at 15:04

I have adjusted Bondage Fruit III to "Studio Album". Someone moved it to "Live". It is a studio album with a single live track from their debut album.

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Posted: July 23 2024 at 15:35

^ oops! i think that might've been me relying on false info that it was a live album!

thx for catching that and changing it back!

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Posted: July 23 2024 at 16:31

^well, see, now I am intrigued. As it turns out it had been years since I checked the liner notes and there is some ambiguity. While not my favorite BF album, the disc is maybe my favorite prog collectors piece; signed and purchased directly from the band at the Palace of Fine Arts during IPMF in 1999.

So listening to the album there is a pretty clear difference in the sound quality between tracks 1-5 and track 6, "Kinzoku No Taija" which is the only one specified as "live" and the only one that a crowd can for sure be heard. However, checking the liner notes I found the only recording location listed as "Shinjuku Pit Inn", which if they are using the English "Inn" sounds to me like a live venue.

The questions are: does this only refer to the live track 6? Are the first 5 tracks recorded at Earth Studio where the mixing took place?

Like I said, everything about the albums recording quality and the fact a single track is specified as live in the track list tells me this is a studio album, but I started today more sure about it than I am now.

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I will ask Kido Natsuki for clarification since we are Facebook friends.

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Posted: July 24 2024 at 21:37

OK. 25 years later I learnt something. Natsuki has verified that the first 5 tracks are also recorded live at Shinjuku Pit Inn. He didn't mention what accounted for the sound difference in the 6th track recording or why it is the only one specified "live". I suppose since it was the only song that appears on a previous album they wanted Kinzuko No Taiji specified when it showed up in other track listings, playlists, etc. I suppose another clue was that on the compilation "Selected", the studio version of Kinzoku No Taiji is on it, while the album version of Récit is on it as well, specified as a live track.

I will change it back.

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Posted: July 24 2024 at 22:13

^ ah! mystery solved Clap

I realized that there is really no consensus across the interweb

I was just going by what RYM and a couple other sources were listing when i changed it

Looks like you got it right from the source's mouth so live it is!

Still haven't heard that one myself

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Posted: July 25 2024 at 22:37

I'm denied editing privileges for this particular compilation, but a compilation it is, and it's currently listed as an album. I'm actually adding those two LPs right now, so if someone could make the change, I'd appreciate it.

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Posted: July 25 2024 at 22:54

Gordy wrote:

I'm denied editing privileges for this particular compilation, but a compilation it is, and it's currently listed as an album. I'm actually adding those two LPs right now, so if someone could make the change, I'd appreciate it.

It worked for me so now it's changed to the compilation it should have been :)

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Posted: July 26 2024 at 20:14

I think the band name should be changed to Gorizont (Горизонт), not only to avoid confusion with the Swedish band Horizont but also because every standard Russian romanization methos renders the Ge (Г) as G.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanization_of_Russian

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In standard Russian, ghe represents the voiced velar plosive /ɡ/ but is devoiced to [k] word-finally or before a voiceless consonant. It represents /ɡʲ/ before a palatalizing vowel.

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Posted: July 27 2024 at 19:46

^ Yes, it's pronounced like GORIZONT, but changing the name on PA would make it even more confusing.

CD reissues read HORIZONT: "Summer in Town" "The Portrait of a Boy".

Additionally, it's HORIZONT in all reviews on PA.

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Posted: July 27 2024 at 19:52

Yes, but the CD reissues were released long after the band had disbanded. And in addition to that, the record company Boheme Music responsible for the reissues was trying to market Gorizont as more of a western audience friendly formation, which is why they changed the name to Horizont, replaced the Russian Cyrillic text on the cover with an English surrogate and included a booklet written mostly in English. Boheme Music is a Russian Federation based private record company, not affiliated with the Soviet Melodiya label.

The Russian portion of the Booklet still refers to the band as Gorizont.

I'd suggest changing the name to Gorizont (Horizont). Have both. Problem solved! Same for the albums:
Summer In Town (Letnij Gorod)
The Portrait of a Boy (Portret Malčika)

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Posted: July 27 2024 at 20:06

Is there any particular reason we should avoid including the original Russian name? What's the problem with listing it as Gorizont (Horizont)?

*[this post is a response to another post which is now gone]

Oh, and by the way

Additionally, it's HORIZONT in all reviews on PA.

That's because all the reviews of this album on PA were written by people who either didn't speak Russian or was able to read Russian Cyrillic, and presumably each reviewer found out about the band's discography via the "westernized" Boheme CD reissues.

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Posted: July 27 2024 at 20:18

горизо́нт

is pronounced optionally as an English H or an English G depending where you live in Russia therefore HORIZONT is perfectly acceptible

the letter г also can sound like an English Y as in YOU

Examples

его́ - he (pronounced yeevoh)

Likewise it is pronounced like a Y with genitive endings of nouns

Both could be explained in the bio but considering the CD releases feature the word HORIZONT that's what i would think needs to remain as the main band name

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Posted: July 27 2024 at 20:38

That is true. Г is pronounced as a В in some "special" words like "его" (pronounced "ево"). These are exceptions. Gorky/Nizhny Novgorod, where Gorizont was founded is situated in the 'Nizhegorodsk Oblast', on the European region of Russia Federation, not super far away from the 'Moscow Oblast'. In Gorky, Г is pronounced G.

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Posted: July 27 2024 at 21:03

^ the band is pretty much known as HORIZONT outside of Russia or Cyrillic alphabetically based languages. I think both versions in the biography would be sufficient but i guess see what others here say. It's not a huge deal to me and i actually studied Russian for years in college. It's a great band BTW. The best thing to emerge from Soviet Russia for sure :)

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Posted: July 27 2024 at 22:42

The best thing to emerge from Soviet Russia for sure

I personally prefer Avtograf by a mile.

Artur Berkut's vocals from that era sound very similar to Jon Anderson in terms of timbre to my ears. Impressive range and phrasing.

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