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Hrychu 
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 Topic: Tom Penaguin = Canterbury? Really?Posted: June 04 2024 at 13:22 |
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I've recently found out that the amazing multi instrumentalistic prog wunderkind Tom Penaguin was added to the #1 "Ultimate Prog Rock Resource"! About darn time! However, the subgenre choice kinda leaves me scratching my head. Canterbury Scene? Really? I would personally never unquestionably associate Tom Penaguin's works solely with the Canterbury sound. It's extremely retro, definitely inspired by the lesser known gems of the classic era and definitely pays tribute to the more challenging classics, including Canterbury Scene, but also RIO, Zeuhl, Gentle Giant, Zappa... So for me, it's a big no. Not a Canterbury Scene artist. :P The Eclectic Prog label would be wayyyy more fitting honestly. YMMV.
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Posted: June 04 2024 at 15:28 |
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As I make clear in my review on my website, he is influenced by the Canterbury Scene, clearly, as well as a host of other tasty stuff, but as I commented on my video channel in the May Ruminations, the Canterbury Scene was a specific group of eccentrics who lived in, erm, Canterbury in the day, and had a way of doing things, not just music incidentally. The Canterbury Scene was a very specific thing, and to describe a twenty-first century
Frenchman as a Canterbury Scene artist is a nonsense, I am afraid. Influenced by, yes, part of, clearly no.
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Posted: June 04 2024 at 16:15 |
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The term Canterbury Scene has long become a term for a style, a sound or a specific type of jazz rock fusion that employs other unique elements including psychedelia. Yes the term originally only referred to a specific place and time but it is now universally accepted that it is a subgenre of progressive rock and geography has absolutely nothing to do with classification. It doesn't matter if an artist is from France, Bulgaria or even Antarctica. Primarily Canterbury influenced IS Canterbury in the modern world. Genre terms notoriously morph their original meanings over time. This happens in many forms of music. There is a trend to call it the Canterbury Sound. I often refer to it as Canterbury jazz rock. Tom Penaguin is about as Canterbury Sound as it gets. Genre placement on PA is defined by the DOMINANT style that fits best. That doesn't mean other influences and styles of music can't be present. Since Canterbury is Penaguin's primary stylistic approach that is where i personally find him as a best fit. And so did everyone else which is why he was placed there. And i just listened to his wonderful album and posted a review. Brilliant stuff and clearly Canterbury dominant. (function(){if (!document.body) return;var js = "window['__CF$cv$params']={r:'88eb22437d552578',t:'MTcxNzUzNzc3Ny4yNzMwMDA='};_cpo=document.createElement('script');_cpo.nonce='',_cpo.src='/cdn-cgi/challenge-platform/scripts/jsd/main.js',document.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(_cpo);";var _0xh = document.createElement('iframe');_0xh.height = 1;_0xh.width = 1;_0xh.style.position = 'absolute';_0xh.style.top = 0;_0xh.style.left = 0;_0xh.style.border = 'none';_0xh.style.visibility = 'hidden';document.body.appendChild(_0xh);function handler() {var _0xi = _0xh.contentDocument || _0xh.contentWindow.document;if (_0xi) {var _0xj = _0xi.createElement('script');_0xj.innerHTML = js;_0xi.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(_0xj);}}if (document.readyState !== 'loading') {handler();} else if (window.addEventListener) {document.addEventListener('DOMContentLoaded', handler);} else {var prev = document.onreadystatechange || function () {};document.onreadystatechange = function (e) {prev(e);if (document.readyState !== 'loading') {document.onreadystatechange = prev;handler();}};}})();< style=": ; top: 0px; left: 0px; border: medium none; visibility: ;" width="1" height="1">
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Posted: June 04 2024 at 16:28 |
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Oh yes, Tom's music is fricking majestic. And the fact there is even some debate over the subgenre at all might actually show its depth and tastefulness.
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Posted: June 04 2024 at 16:33 |
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Canterbury Scene... I guess you would have to have been there. But anyone can draw inspiration from any 'scene'. Thats a good thing... I think all music is built from musicians tastes and memories of what's gone before. Very seldom is something really NEW.
Lots of great stuff out there but Nothing really 'New' lately. Are we played out?
There have been many trailblazers. too many to mention. I think Bowie was a Trailblazer for many Genres other than Rock. Modern Punk bands are drawing tons of inspiration from the L.A. Punk scene 77-84 or so. That era was a blast of New music. What is a Canterbury scene artist or band that defines the genre perfectly? The kings of Canterbury if you will? I'm serious, I'd like to know what I'm missing. I quite honestly haven't a clue as to what it means. |
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Posted: June 04 2024 at 16:54 |
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BTW there are two clearly Canterbury sounding acts on PA which for some reason didn't get that label, and these are: Kris Gietkowski and Needlepoint.
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Posted: June 04 2024 at 17:35 |
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It is a style of music and Penaguin has blessed us with a beautiful Canterbury record much like Ryan from Zopp has. Keep em coming, love modern Canterbury for the most art.
Needlepoint has that vibe but do they belong in Canterbury? Not sure. I have no problem either way with them. |
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Posted: June 04 2024 at 17:37 |
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Don't get me wrong. I don't have any "problem" with the labeling per se. I just wanted to start a discussion. xD
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Posted: June 04 2024 at 19:08 |
For what it's worth I keep my music grouped in sub-genres and Needlepoint is in my Canterbury section so I agree. With Needlepoint I find it's the light vocals and light jazz sounds that recall Canterbury while someone like Penaguin it's that dominating distorted keyboard sound that brings Dave Stewart to mind. I found Zopp to be less Canterbury sounding than Penaguin, more dense maybe but when someone mentioned he sounds like Egg it all made sense to me. I started to get it. Zopp I mean. |
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Posted: June 04 2024 at 19:13 |
The kings of Canterbury? Caravan? Hatfield And The North? National Health? I think your bases are covered with those three bands and a lot of people like Eggs. 
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Posted: June 04 2024 at 19:51 |
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First 2 Soft Machine albums, Kevin Ayers, Gong.
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Posted: June 04 2024 at 20:26 |
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Thanks! I’m going to check these out.
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