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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by RockHound RockHound wrote:

Fusion forms the core of American prog.


I've long held this belief, and I believe many others do!
If you're stuck in the 70's, yeah. Otherwise no.
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Michael Romero is as good if not better than John Petrucci, and that’s saying a lot!

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Fusion forms the core of American prog.

Agree on points 2 & 3. 
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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by RockHound RockHound wrote:

Fusion forms the core of American prog.


I've long held this belief, and I believe many others do!
If you're stuck in the 70's, yeah. Otherwise no.


Who's stuck in the '70s?

Fusion originated here. That's the point.
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by RockHound RockHound wrote:

Fusion forms the core of American prog.


I've long held this belief, and I believe many others do!
If you're stuck in the 70's, yeah. Otherwise no.


Who's stuck in the '70s?

Fusion originated here. That's the point.

No doubt Fusion originated here, but I think he means that, since then, other forms of prog had overtaken the throne here in the US. 

ie. Prog Metal, Tech/Extreme, Hello??
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Originally posted by Zappastolethetowels Zappastolethetowels wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by RockHound RockHound wrote:

Fusion forms the core of American prog.


I've long held this belief, and I believe many others do!
If you're stuck in the 70's, yeah. Otherwise no.


Who's stuck in the '70s?

Fusion originated here. That's the point.


No doubt Fusion originated here, but I think he means that, since then, other forms of prog had overtaken the throne here in the US. 

ie. Prog Metal, Tech/Extreme, Hello??


Maybe read the "forms the core of" part again? Most of those guys are nevertheless influenced by the key fusion and prog players. A new blend is just that, it doesn't make the ingredients any less perceptible to my palate.
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The Quiet Zone / The Pleasure Dome is superior to H to He
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Originally posted by Frets N Worries Frets N Worries wrote:

The Quiet Zone / The Pleasure Dome is superior to H to He

Hot take indeed. Confused
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Frets N Worries Frets N Worries wrote:

The Quiet Zone / The Pleasure Dome is superior to H to He

Hot take indeed. Confused
I'm with Frets N Worries on that one. Depending on my mood I'd even rank The Quiet Zone / The Pleasure Dome as their best at times. Awesome album!
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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Frets N Worries Frets N Worries wrote:

The Quiet Zone / The Pleasure Dome is superior to H to He

Hot take indeed. Confused
I'm with Frets N Worries on that one. Depending on my mood I'd even rank The Quiet Zone / The Pleasure Dome as their best at times. Awesome album!

I like the album, but is it better than H to He... though? Not for me, that's all. 
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by Zappastolethetowels Zappastolethetowels wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by RockHound RockHound wrote:

Fusion forms the core of American prog.


I've long held this belief, and I believe many others do!
If you're stuck in the 70's, yeah. Otherwise no.


Who's stuck in the '70s?

Fusion originated here. That's the point.


No doubt Fusion originated here, but I think he means that, since then, other forms of prog had overtaken the throne here in the US. 

ie. Prog Metal, Tech/Extreme, Hello??


Maybe read the "forms the core of" part again? Most of those guys are nevertheless influenced by the key fusion and prog players. A new blend is just that, it doesn't make the ingredients any less perceptible to my palate.

not sure what you're trying to say here, but you seem to have the stats to tell me that most American acts today borrow a lot from fusion. That doesn't make all those bands fusion per se. 

Im sure you will find today's American prog dominated by metal and tech stuff rather than fusion 
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Originally posted by Zappastolethetowels Zappastolethetowels wrote:

That doesn't make all those bands fusion per se.


That's not what I'm saying, but don't worry about it.
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I would contend that a lot of those bands are essentially fusing metal with prog-jazz. The jazz metal craze has been proliferating for the last dozen years or so, and it is particularly strong in (though not exclusive to) the US.
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I'm far from stuck in the '70s (my wife might disagree, yet she looks like she's going to burst when I roll  the likes of Sleepytime Gorilla Museum and the Rabbinical School Dropouts).

I view the foundations of prog as coming from two distinct schools of music-the European School and the American School. The European school is rooted in fusing rock with all kinds of classical influences, giving us the likes of KC, Yes, Genesis, ELP, etc. There are obviously lots of jazz elements, but something that I find interesting is the limited cross-pollination among the bands relative to the American school. When there was cross-pollination, it was magical, such as Jon Anderson turning up on Lizard to sing Prince Rupert Awakes or Fripp and Eno getting together to totally mess with our heads. Slowly cross-pollination became more common, with the likes of Bruford showing up in KC and Genesis.

The American School, by contrast, is rooted in all kinds of jazz, blues, soul, and rock structures and less centered around the classical influences. The amount of cross-pollination is extreme, considering the diverse collaborations among all the Miles Davis alumni (McLaughlin, Corea, Zawinul, etc.) and Zappa spreading his alumni all over the place (Belew, Thompson, Ponty, Duke, Val, etc.). As such, the groups tend to be more transitory, and the individuals have really diverse careers with lots of solo and collaboration work outside the flagship bands, making the scene more diffuse.

In the '80s, however, cross-pollination yielded unbelievable results with contributions like the Eno-Byrne collaborations which gave us the likes of My Life in the Bush of Ghosts and The Catherine Wheel. After the MTV-infected cultural lag of that time, the '90s brought tremendous diversification, giving us the smorgasbord of progressive styles we enjoy today-and all with very little major label support. 
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Originally posted by RockHound RockHound wrote:

I'm far from stuck in the '70s (my wife might disagree, yet she looks like she's going to burst when I roll  the likes of Sleepytime Gorilla Museum and the Rabbinical School Dropouts).

I view the foundations of prog as coming from two distinct schools of music-the European School and the American School. The European school is rooted in fusing rock with all kinds of classical influences, giving us the likes of KC, Yes, Genesis, ELP, etc. There are obviously lots of jazz elements, but something that I find interesting is the limited cross-pollination among the bands relative to the American school. When there was cross-pollination, it was magical, such as Jon Anderson turning up on Lizard to sing Prince Rupert Awakes or Fripp and Eno getting together to totally mess with our heads. Slowly cross-pollination became more common, with the likes of Bruford showing up in KC and Genesis.

The American School, by contrast, is rooted in all kinds of jazz, blues, soul, and rock structures and less centered around the classical influences. The amount of cross-pollination is extreme, considering the diverse collaborations among all the Miles Davis alumni (McLaughlin, Corea, Zawinul, etc.) and Zappa spreading his alumni all over the place (Belew, Thompson, Ponty, Duke, Val, etc.). As such, the groups tend to be more transitory, and the individuals have really diverse careers with lots of solo and collaboration work outside the flagship bands, making the scene more diffuse.

In the '80s, however, cross-pollination yielded unbelievable results with contributions like the Eno-Byrne collaborations which gave us the likes of My Life in the Bush of Ghosts and The Catherine Wheel. After the MTV-infected cultural lag of that time, the '90s brought tremendous diversification, giving us the smorgasbord of progressive styles we enjoy today-and all with very little major label support. 





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Danger Money > U.K.
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Danger Money > U.K.


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The new Big Big Train Album is superior to the last two albums but doesn't come close to the run from Under fall Yard to Grand Tour.
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by Frets N Worries Frets N Worries wrote:

Danger Money > U.K.


Same here.

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Originally posted by Criswell Criswell wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by Frets N Worries Frets N Worries wrote:

Danger Money > U.K.


Same here.

Agreed

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