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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

This is certainly a hot take on Prog Rock Cool


That looks like a parody rather than a cover. 
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'It' is the best song off of 'The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway'
The Wheel of Time Turns, and Ages come and pass. What was, what will be, and what is, may yet fall under the shadow.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MikeEnRegalia Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 26 2024 at 06:30
This is certainly a hot take on Prog Rock Cool

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Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

Like this metal cover (or is it?) of your favourite Genesis track, Who Dunnit? (luckily for you he left the lyrics out...). Tongue Wink

That's awful, also i don't think it's got anything to do with the Genesis song. 

What I meant to say was that metal covers of pop songs are mostly fun to listen to, they often become catchy metal songs. 
There is a metal tribute to ABBA everyone seems to enjoy. 
Here are two examples. Big smile


ABBA goes doom-metal



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote suitkees Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 26 2024 at 04:57
Like this metal cover (or is it?) of your favourite Genesis track, Who Dunnit? (luckily for you he left the lyrics out...). Tongue Wink




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^ Indeed.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cristi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 26 2024 at 04:41
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ I've not listened to those releases in general, Genesis are not that interesting to me in general. Not my cup of tea.

I'll leave this here though as a nice distraction:


I know the Ghost cover. Quite good, I always thought a heavy version of this song would work. 
I think a lot of Genesis pop songs would work with a metal "kick". Tongue
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^ I've not listened to those releases in general, Genesis are not that interesting to me in general. Not my cup of tea.

I'll leave this here though as a nice distraction:

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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Hot Take: I can't really enjoy any classic 70s PG Genesis because of the whiny vocal style. Later solo PG is fine. And when it comes to Genesis overall, my favorite tracks could be Land of Confusion and Jesus He Knows Me.

That's a hot take indeed, I don't see how Gabriel is whinny though.  Confused

Jesus He Knows Me?! There are better songs than that during the trio years, I dare say even better songs on We Can't Dance. LOL
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Hot Take: I can't really enjoy any classic 70s PG Genesis because of the whiny vocal style. Later solo PG is fine. And when it comes to Genesis overall, my favorite tracks could be Land of Confusion and Jesus He Knows Me.
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Hi,

And finally ... sorry ... couldn't add all the comments! And goodness ... maybe this was a bad idea!

Half of the "The Final Cut" is a part of the story in "The Wall"

There is no way that any record company would do a triple album for "The Wall". Too depressing!

Amon Duul 2's "Wolf City" is one of the best rock albums of all time.

King Crimson is the only "classic music" rock band around. (Real classic music, not the radio poop!) 

Please stop all these second, third and fourth rate stories based on the Big Book! Specially you Mr. Overrated!

Rick Wakeman's right hand plays too many notes!

"More" is one of the least appreciated films by folks that love the BS of how music is used in movies. And it was a trip watching the girl enjoy the music, with or without the drugs! We just hate "reality", and prefer the fake way music is often used in movies!

Peter Gabriel has been overrated since the start! 

"Amarok", at least, is much more fun and challenging a listen than any other Mike Oldfield anything.

It's a shame that "progressive rock" folks have no respect for The Grateful Dead. Perhaps it was because they were anti-establishment all the way and even flipped a finger to the record companies on bootlegs ... and got more famous for it than the record companies ever understood or had the balls to stop counting money!

The Who is not more "prog" because Keith Moon was way too prog oriented in his drumming style. Prog folks only like the standard 4/4 and snare loud and clear to show they can count ... so much for a progressive something definition!

DSotM is not as progressive as we think or that great. It was, however, one of the first TRULLY VISUAL EXPERIENCES IN ROCK MUSIC, which made up for the colorful shows that came from the psychedelic days ... for once a show had "life" instead of just LET'S PRETEND!

PDQ Bach makes progressive music look and sound like child's play! (And some folks think PDQ Bach is not real!)


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Originally posted by Zappastolethetowels Zappastolethetowels wrote:

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Most Krautrock is aimless goofy noodling or just pathetic!
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Hi,

And that's like saying that all the other "music" that is composed is not bad noodling and pathetic? And grossly overrated?

Goodness, man ... you need some PDQ Bach badly ... you're out of your kazzoo!Wink
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Originally posted by Progishness Progishness wrote:

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 tho I think think there is a place for Krautrock here as most of us who grew up with 70's prog would have had a few Amon Duul II or Faust albums in our collections.

Hi,

I kinda doubt this would happen today since both of those bands did not exactly thrash ... well John Weinzierl is excused for "Yeti" ... but both bands don't have enough loud, ugly and senseless GROWLS!
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

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Tarkus - Contains their most important track but falls of the end of a cliff by the end
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Hi,

This is really sad ... if you sit through Rachel Flowers doing this on the piano, you will find it to be one of the greatest piano concerts you ever heard. To top it off she also has an organ version, though I do not find it as good. I prefer to think that we here do not know what a piano concerto is!

At the time, if you took the score of "Tarkus" to a music professor at the university, you would get a low grade. I like to say that Keith merely updated it with "today's instruments" ... something Keith was very familiar with doing classical music a lot! Few folks, if any, EVER, understood that relationship!


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Originally posted by Frets N Worries Frets N Worries wrote:

About Pink Floyd's Animals:

Pigs (Three Different Ones) is better than Dogs

and Sheep is not that good of a song

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The original version of "Sheep" was "Raving and Drooling", and it was SPACE ROCK and then some, in the vein of "Astronomy Domine" and "Interstellar Overdrive" ... but I think that Roger thought he wanted to dismantle the Syd thing for good!
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Originally posted by Hector Enrique Hector Enrique wrote:


Pink Floyd (taking Barrett out of the equation) is the typical case where the sum of the parts is far greater than the individual. Neither Gilmour nor Waters (except for "Amused to Death" and a few individual songs) have managed to stand out especially in their solo careers. Both of them, and especially Waters, have based their careers over the last few decades on continuing to make the most of the band's legendary albums. By the way, I've been lucky enough to enjoy a few Waters concerts over the years, where he commemorated PF's music. Music I love.

Waters is considered the main architect of the best of PF, and I think that's true. But on the other hand, if he hadn't had the other members of the band I'm not sure if he would have made it as a soloist... so, without taking away all the merits that he deserves, I think Waters was a fundamental part of the band, but not "the" band, as he has often believed himself to be.  At least that's what it seems to me.


I think you nailed it - like all truly great bands the classic line-up was way more than just the sum of the individual parts, until individual egos got too big that is. See also: The Beatles.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Hector Enrique Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 26 2024 at 01:10
Pink Floyd (taking Barrett out of the equation) is the typical case where the sum of the parts is far greater than the individual. Neither Gilmour nor Waters (except for "Amused to Death" and a few individual songs) have managed to stand out especially in their solo careers. Both of them, and especially Waters, have based their careers over the last few decades on continuing to make the most of the band's legendary albums. By the way, I've been lucky enough to enjoy a few Waters concerts over the years, where he commemorated PF's music. Music I love.

Waters is considered the main architect of the best of PF, and I think that's true. But on the other hand, if he hadn't had the other members of the band I'm not sure if he would have made it as a soloist... so, without taking away all the merits that he deserves, I think Waters was a fundamental part of the band, but not "the" band, as he has often believed himself to be.  At least that's what it seems to me.



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^ I pretty much agree.
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I had to check just to make sure that Syd did actually write the songs on Floyd's debut. Apparently he did. Waters was just the bass player and Gilmour had no involvement at that point although he joined them later in the year for live shows. I get the lasting impression that Gilmour is not that nice a person although admittedly he's eclipsed by some of Waters antics in that regards. He seems to resent the fact that he wasn't given more credit for Floyd. I remember him trying to down play The Wall which mostly he didn't write. In fact Waters is mostly credited with DSOTM, Animals and The Wall while Barrett wrote the debut. So Gilmour was a great guitarist foremost. Floyd just became a very dull AOR band after Waters no longer had any involvement. Go figure.
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Originally posted by Hector Enrique Hector Enrique wrote:


I agree with you regarding the relevance of Barrett. Indeed, I also think it would have been likely that if Barrett continued, Pink Floyd would have been another band of the psychedelic movement of the late 60's lost in some alphabetical description.

As David Gilmour said in one of the thousands of interviews about it, words more words less: "everyone believes that Syd is a superlative genius, and the truth is that he was a directionless person who could not overcome his mental demons"


In another interview about Syd Barrett, David Gilmour said this:

“It’s sad that these people think he’s such a wonderful subject, that he’s a living legend when, in fact, there is this poor sad man who can’t deal with life or himself. He’s got uncontrollable things in him that he can’t deal with, and people think it’s a marvellous, wonderful, romantic thing."

Barrett had become so unreliable, that when Pink Floyd was on their way to a gig, Roger Waters asked if they should pick up Syd, someone said "Why Bother?"

I agree that the best thing Pink Floyd did as a band was move on from Barrett. You feel sorry for Barrett and his health issues. I, however, never subscribed to Barrett being one of Rock music's creative genius. He deserves credit for forming the band, writing some of the early Pink Floyd material and use of effects with his guitar playing. But, nothing past that suggests his music bore markings of some tortured genius. By 1972, Barrett was gone from the music industry.

I know he was inducted with Pink Floyd into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I'm not sure if it was done out of an act of pity or if members of the committee thought he was a musical genius and should be included with the other members of Pink Floyd. Pink Floyd became a juggernaut because of their 70s material, which Barrett had nothing to do with except for being the subject of Shine on You Crazy Diamond.
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