The Last Detail to Neo

Edited by suitkees - January 03 2024 at 07:18

The band can be re-evaluated if they released new music since their rejection. 

octopus-4 wrote: Basing on the site rules, they can't be re-evaluated unless they release new material. I don't know if there's an alternative way.

suitkees wrote: ^ That seems to me very inconsistent with those other two bands' categorisations (Ywis and Timelock). So maybe the question is: What is more important, to respect the site rules dogmatically or to improve the (historical) consistency of the PA database. It will be clear by now that I would opt for the latter. But let's wait for Keishiro (or other admins) to chime in and decide.

While I happen to have checked this thread, it is best to PM admin in such cases to alert us. This is an issue that we have discussed before, and I think we have been flexible by allowing ones to be re-evaluated by teams (might want all to be yes votes). The guideline is mostly to help the teams from getting a lot of additional workload by having to re-evaluate, and also to hopefully avoid some hasty controversial additions. When team members are enthusiastic they sometimes are more willing to go the extra mile. Those who help with the site (team members, people like me...) are volunteers, and the work and demands can be very stressful, and some have been very demanding when it comes to evaluating and re-evaluating artists. Some issues have been that teams members change, and everyone does have biases. Also, the parameters change as new additions come and it comes with new people with new ideas, with their own perspective and knowledge. Another issue has been that sometimes it was based on very limited material (not always available), and sometimes mistakes were made like the wrong material was evaluated etc.

I think that a team should have the autonomy to choose to re-evaluate an artist if there seems to be good reason to do so. In the case of ones deemed controversial artists, in those case we should be more careful.

I will bring this issue up with the other admin, and I remember writing at length about this before. if I were on the Neo-Prog team, after listening to the material, if I thought it was PA worthy, I would bring it to the team and mention the issue. There have been many cases where an act that was deemed not suitable before was later approved by the same team. I suggested one before with such a case, and in the end the team decided to have another look (this was years after it had been rejected) and approved it. Admin was fine with that too. Especially if it's a unanimous vote, then I think there should be no problem.

And as for this ship sinking, it's been taking on water for many years, and what would most likely save it is an infusion of money to overhaul it, maybe actually hire some people.... As a business it would not be viable now, and it is overly complicated to add albums and acts (with paid people that would cost in too many hours).

So it needs web-traffic and ways to profit. That is the greatest incentive to keep it running. If it can generate income, that would lead to great improvements, especially if that is seen to maybe lead to more income... And then one could hire people.

There is lot in the rules and guidelines that I would like to revisit, but I am not the Captain, and this is voluntary and already people give lots of their time to this site with no remuneration. Often team members burn out and it can feel like a very thankless task. As a not-for-profit, we do it do the love and out of loyalty to the endeavour and each other.