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Nogbad_The_Bad 
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 Posted: November 28 2023 at 17:21 |
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100% agree |
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richardh
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Posted: November 28 2023 at 17:21 |
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It's true that historically ELP were failing to progress after the first 3 (that's what critics thought even back then). For me all rankings of their first 5 albums are valid depending on what you value as most important. ELP - No weak tracks (the main requirement for a high rating on PA it seems) Tarkus - Contains their most important track but falls of the end of a cliff by the end Pictures At An Exhibition - Their purest expression of progressive rock music but it's very untidy (later shorter versions work better imo) Trilogy - best for lyrics and production and probably their most polished album (but least innovative as I said). Brain Salad Surgery - best band performance coming off an extensive European tour where they already tried out some of the new material and also their most cohesive album conceptually (if you ignore the silly and unnecessary Benny The Bouncer) After this ELP's became a 'scatty' band that was barely in the prog game. None of this is a hot take though! My hot take is that Carl Palmer should have left the band in 1975 and done his own thing. His material on the Works album plus the then unreleased Percussion Concerto was more interesting than anything Emerson and Lake were coming up with. Edited by richardh - November 28 2023 at 17:36 |
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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Posted: November 28 2023 at 17:19 |
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I don't like either of those |
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Ian
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Logan
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Posted: November 28 2023 at 16:53 |
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Everything that came before The Flower Kings is Proto-Prog at best. At least that is my imaginary friend's hot take. I rarely take him very seriously.
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omphaloskepsis
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Posted: November 28 2023 at 16:47 |
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The Big Generator is a top-five Yes album
Caress of Steel and "Fly By Night" are better than any Rush album released after Signals/1982 "Hollowed Be Thy Name" is a top ten ELP song
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Grumpyprogfan
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Posted: November 28 2023 at 16:42 |
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Logan
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Posted: November 28 2023 at 16:32 |
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More modern Prog genre music that emulates/ copies the Progressive Rock of the 70s is what I would have called gorp -- music with retro qualities, regressive (backwards) rather than progressive. Edited by Logan - November 28 2023 at 16:33 |
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Zappastolethetowels
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Posted: November 28 2023 at 16:28 |
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The 70's decade of prog is now a "gorp"??
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Cristi
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Posted: November 28 2023 at 16:26 |
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I discovered Rush rather late, I didn't know much about their popularity, I just enjoyed the music. Tool and Pain of Salvation are not influenced by Rush, King crimson is the prog band that was a big influence on Tool. Early Pain of Salvation albums were described back in the day as a mix of Yes and Faith No More, which was more or less true. Dream Theater, Spock's Beard and the TFK sound have influences beyond Rush, so I think these musicians would have played some kind of progressive rock anyway.
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Logan
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Posted: November 28 2023 at 16:25 |
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I have liked to use the term gorp for regressive (retro, backwards) Prog. I once tried to burp but could only manage a gorp. |
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Frets N Worries
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Posted: November 28 2023 at 16:24 |
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Of the first 5, my list goes Brain Salad Surgery Emerson, Lake and Palmer Tarkus Pictures at an Exhibition Trilogy |
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The Wheel of Time Turns, and Ages come and pass. What was, what will be, and what is, may yet fall under the shadow.
Let the Dragon ride again on the winds of time... |
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Zappastolethetowels
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Posted: November 28 2023 at 16:20 |
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Not at all
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JD
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Posted: November 28 2023 at 16:18 |
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Prog spelled backwards is Gorp, and that is seriously close to the sound people make when I play them Univers Zero's Heresie.
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Cristi
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Posted: November 28 2023 at 16:18 |
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Totally agree here and definitely not a hot take.
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Psychedelic Paul
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Posted: November 28 2023 at 16:17 |
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The 1990's was the best YES era.
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Zappastolethetowels
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Posted: November 28 2023 at 16:16 |
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Regarding 2 of my favorite artists.... Tull were a heavy folk-rock band with a prog period in between. Zappa was the most unique artist of all in bringing an influx of styles and blending them with rock! True genius!
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Cristi
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Posted: November 28 2023 at 16:08 |
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 Tarkus and Trilogy are my favorite ELP albums. is that a hot take?
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Zappastolethetowels
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Posted: November 28 2023 at 16:07 |
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If you want another hot take: regardless of the viability and effectiveness of a "big 6" or whatever, Rush don't belong anywhere near a top 10 list of great prog bands (unless you're judging popularity). Without Rush, there would be no Dream Theater, Tool, Transatlantic, Spocks B, Pain of S, and all the like. Also... contemporary prog (your Opeths, Flower Kings, Wobblers, and Steven Wilsons) is no renaissance! Sorry folks... |
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Posted: November 28 2023 at 16:07 |
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David Gilmour's self-titled is the best solo album from a Floyd alum.
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verslibre
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Posted: November 28 2023 at 16:06 |
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Stopping with Heavy Horses means you miss out on Stormwatch, A and The Broadsword and the Beast.
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