Your Prog Rock Hot Takes

Nogbad_The_Bad wrote: No Genesis albums are needed after Lamb. No Yes albums are needed after Drama Jethro Tull did only 6 great albums (Aqualung, TAAB, APP, Minstrel, SFTW, HH) Hawkwind's, King Crimson's & Henry Cow's best albums are all live albums.

I agree with you on Tull completely.
Yes albums after drama are GOOD, some really good, but not really essential listening for a new prog fan. (Except for maybe 90125, it'd make a good entry point into the genre)

Big Sky wrote: Cristi wrote: Big Sky wrote: Cristi wrote:   Let's not start with this Big this and big that, it does not help anyone with anything.  Cristi, The thread was about Hot Takes. Not one thing was said "except for not to be included." That's my hot take. Don't care what you think should be posted in a thread. I wasn't tell you what to post and what not to, just that a big 6 conversation on this thread is not a good idea (not a good idea in general if you ask me, but anyway...).  It's a thread about "Hot Takes." In general a thread on such a subject might not be a good idea. One member called Rush "trite" and "uninspired" when they attempted to play Prog. That's a take that could get the hackles up on big Rush fan. I disagree with the take as I think Rush's best stuff was when they went all out Prog. So be it. That's his take. I could have said Neil Peart is overrated as a drummer, David Gilmour is not much more than an average guitarist who gets rated highly because he has a decent melodic sense and good tone and that any rock guitarist who is said to be the greatest would purely on technical ability get dusted by a third year classical guitar student at say Juliard or Peabody.

Awesoreno wrote: Just because they use vintage instruments doesn't mean Wobbler is that amazing (they're alright).

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AJ Junior wrote: Progishness wrote: 'The Final Cut is a better album than 'The Wall'. I think just the song "Comfortably Numb" is better than the whole Final Cut album.

Progishness wrote: 'The Final Cut is a better album than 'The Wall'.

Big Sky wrote:   Cristi, By that criteria, posting that Rush, Pink Floyd, Jethro Tull, Kansas, Tool, Porcupine Tree or Radiohead is not Prog, or Crime of the Century is not a Prog album or Steve Howe is the best Prog guitarist and Bill Bruford the best drummer or Trick of the Tail is Genesis best album, etc is not helpful. In fact, fair bit of the discussions here are based on such subjects. In fact, if those subjects and lists of top whatever did not exist here, there would not be much traffic. This thread on "Hot Takes" strictly by your criteria is not helpful.

Cristi wrote: Big Sky wrote: Cristi wrote:   You tell me how the big 6 of prog is an important helpful concept/idea, how is it helping listeners of prog, and I'll admit I am in the wrong here.  Cristi, I don't CARE whether you think the big 6 is an important or helpful concept idea. Really, I don't. And I could care less if you admit you are wrong or not. Frankly, I was not looking for you to say you are in the wrong. But, to play along, it might be just a guide for those not up on progressive rock as a starting place. Going with a band they may have heard of instead of "hey check out Gentle Giant, Happy the Man or National Health" who, unless you are a big Prog fan, couldn't be picked out of a lineup if you had an arrow pointing at them. Instead "hey, who are some prog bands I should check out"? "Let's start with with some of the big boys. Have you heard of Kansas, Rush or Yes"? Nothing more than that. Since I brought up classical guitar in my prior post, there is a big three of classical guitar: Andres Segovia, Julian Bream and John Williams. If someone asked where to start, it probably would be with one of these three playing a popular piece from Bach, Tarrega or Barrios. Of course, Ana Vidovic, David Russell or Sharon Isbin would be good choices too. People cannot even make up their mind or  agree who is in this big 6 (it was big 5 at some point) and they argue same way metalheads argue about the big 4 of thrash. At least, the big 4 of thrash was established by the media and people complain how Anthrax especially does not belong there.  And then someone will start will try and come up with a big 4 for every genre. I don't think it helps in any way. That's all.

Cristi,

By that criteria, posting that Rush, Pink Floyd, Jethro Tull, Kansas, Tool, Porcupine Tree or Radiohead is not Prog, or Crime of the Century is not a Prog album or Steve Howe is the best Prog guitarist and Bill Bruford the best drummer or Trick of the Tail is Genesis best album, etc is not helpful. In fact, fair bit of the discussions here are based on such subjects. In fact, if those subjects and lists of top whatever did not exist here, there would not be much traffic.

This thread on "Hot Takes" strictly by your criteria is not helpful.

No Genesis albums are needed after Lamb.

1. Going for the One > Close to the Edge (the albums, but just barely).

Cristi wrote: Big Sky wrote: Cristi wrote: Big Sky wrote: Cristi wrote:   Let's not start with this Big this and big that, it does not help anyone with anything.  Cristi, The thread was about Hot Takes. Not one thing was said "except for not to be included." That's my hot take. Don't care what you think should be posted in a thread. I wasn't tell you what to post and what not to, just that a big 6 conversation on this thread is not a good idea (not a good idea in general if you ask me, but anyway...).  It's a thread about "Hot Takes." In general a thread on such a subject might not be a good idea. One member called Rush "trite" and "uninspired" when they attempted to play Prog. That's a take that could get the hackles up on big Rush fan. I disagree with the take as I think Rush's best stuff was when they went all out Prog. So be it. That's his take. I could have said Neil Peart is overrated as a drummer, David Gilmour is not much more than an average guitarist who gets rated highly because he has a decent melodic sense and good tone and that any rock guitarist who is said to be the greatest would purely on technical ability get dusted by a third year classical guitar student at say Juliard or Peabody. You tell me how the big 6 of prog is an important helpful concept/idea, how is it helping listeners of prog, and I'll admit I am in the wrong here.

Cristi,

I don't CARE whether you think the big 6 is an important or helpful concept idea. Really, I don't. And I could care less if you admit you are wrong or not. Frankly, I was not looking for you to say you are in the wrong.

But, to play along, it might be just a guide for those not up on progressive rock as a starting place. Going with a band they may have heard of instead of "hey check out Gentle Giant, Happy the Man or National Health" who, unless you are a big Prog fan, couldn't be picked out of a lineup if you had an arrow pointing at them. Instead "hey, who are some prog bands I should check out"? "Let's start with with some of the big boys. Have you heard of Kansas, Rush or Yes"? Nothing more than that.

Since I brought up classical guitar in my prior post, there is a big three of classical guitar: Andres Segovia, Julian Bream and John Williams. If someone asked where to start, it probably would be with one of these three playing a popular piece from Bach, Tarrega or Barrios. Of course, Ana Vidovic, David Russell or Sharon Isbin would be good choices too.