Roger Waters Time Redux - Progressive Rock Music Forum

If you're not changing some things, what's the point of doing DSOTM again? On the other hand, if you change so much, why base it off of DSOTM in the first place? I'll tell you why. Seems like Roger had some prose or vague ideas that he knew wouldn't make for an attention-grabbing enough album, so he used DSOTM's 50th anniversary, which he knew would get 100x the media traction than another RW original album. Added bonus is that he can use this to rail against Gilmour/Mason/Wright, which only helps the media attention. This whole thing isn't a passion project, it's just cynical.

At the end of the day, though, the instrumental parts, the mix and most of all the vocals are so much worse than the original, that there's 0 reasons to listen to this. People will listen to this out of morbid curiosity, and that's it.

Also, sometimes less is more. DSOTM got its messages across nicely. Adding more lyrics to it is just a bad move, period. At least he didn't go as overboard with it as on Money. I don't need to hear an 80-year old's ramblings on his world view or politics, and I certainly don't need to hear it in DSOTM.

moshkito wrote:

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I wonder if we say that because we have heard the "original" so many times.

First of all, it doesn't matter how we would feel about it if there wasn't an original, because there IS an original. It doesn't, and can never, exist independently of the original. It doesn't deserve to be judged independently because it's not an original song.

Second of all, people would likely still hate it, because it f**king sucks ass.

Stressed Cheese wrote:

...Second of all, people would likely still hate it, because it f**king sucks ass.

moshkito wrote:

progaardvark wrote:

... Having said all that, it pales in comparison to the original. It's missing that raw energy that complemented the lyrics. I'd give it a 5/10. Nice for a long elevator ride.

This was better than the Money redux. That felt like he put the song in a dishwasher and added a heaping bowl of pseudo-intellectual drivel. When he took it out of the dishwasher, he dressed it up with fuzzy socks and a propeller beanie.

Hi,

There is only one thing that bothers me, with some of these comments ... I can't believe how we WORSHIP the GODS of antiquity, specially when it comes to the arts. None of you have (more than likely) heard 5 different versions of the 5th, and how they differ from Stokowski to Karajan to Bernstein ... and yet we sit here and contemplate how much we can lash and hit on RW because he wanted to redo a few old songs ... so what?

The interpretation is actually very nice, and stands up well, although the last part kinda falls off the surface of the song, and I think that is where (in the album) things were "adjusted" to make a transition ... which caused some of the lyrical, or musical events to have a smaller life than it originally had.

This sacred purity of the originals is really sad for me ... it says we don't appreciate music in its various forms ... we have to suck up to the GODS of the hit, instead!

Please stand up for PROGRESSIVE music ... and different interpretations, often have a new tone and idea about it all ... heck, where is the rap version of MONEY?

You got all that from fuzzy socks and propeller beanies? I'm impressed.

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I don't want to hear it. Nowadays Roger is better as politician than as artist.

I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution

I think it is a tragic last gasp of a bitter old man trying desperately to rewrite his own history. Make no mistake, there is nothing "progressive" about this remake, and let's be honest, remakes are inherently diametrically opposed to any hint of progressiveness. Waters' failed attempt at continued relevance has proven how irrelevant he has become.

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The Dark Elf wrote:

I think it is a tragic last gasp of a bitter old man trying desperately to rewrite his own history. Make no mistake, there is nothing "progressive" about this remake, and let's be honest, remakes are inherently diametrically opposed to any hint of progressiveness. Waters' failed attempt at continued relevance has proven how irrelevant he has become.

Let me put it this way: With his touring and political activism he is much more relevant than David Gilmour, even if you don’t agree with any of his activities.

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No, no, and no. Waters is incapable of anything successful, save for dipping his toes back into the PF waters. And even then, he fails with this.

'ere I am, JH

Stopped reading your post at “tw*t”.

Edited by MikeEnRegalia - August 26 2023 at 16:08

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How about this: He’a great at what he does, and you have disqualified yourself from the discussion.

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You can say he's great at being incredibly boring and tedious.