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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Gordy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2023 at 22:19
Just finished my first listen straight through. Still recovering.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2023 at 22:14
And I see that the two most recent reviews are for The Beggar, by Rrattlesnake SEE HERE CLICK and by Captain Midnight SEE HERE CLICK. Really glad to see it getting recognition at this site and such positivity. I know this album still has room to grow with me despite already loving so much of it -- and The Beggar Lover (Three) and "The Ebb" in particular just transported me so wonderfully on first listen.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2023 at 21:22
Can by difficult. When I was pretty new to it, and I heard tracks like "Helpless Child" off Soundtracks for the Blind, and, more blind, "Blind" off White Light from the Mouth of Infinity (a bonus, was originally on a Gira "solo" album) and then tracks like "The Glowing Man", "A Piece of the Sky", "Bring the Sun / Toussaint L'Ouverture", "Mind Body Light Sound" "Just a Little Boy (For Chester Burnett)" etc. the tracks just hooked me easily. Often whole albums were more of challenge, especially with how long some of them are. For some reason Soundtracks for the Blind was always easier for me to listen to from end to end, and other classic ones are which are shorter, than something like The Seer. The Glowing Man was pretty easy for me and so was To Be Kind, but the Seer although I loved music in it immediately was a challenge. That might be a great one for Bardberic to try already.

I do think lots of people could find something to easily like in the discography, especially if they are okay not going with full albums at first. Generally it's the longest tracks from Swans that seem to really appeal to me. With this new album "The Beggar Lover (Three)" was a bigger love for me than other tracks. In fact, the songs they originally released from the album didn't do much for me. Some might think the long ones can be too repetitive and meandering, but hey, that's how I post and that's how I think so it resonates with my psyche.
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Amazing, if not difficult, band. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2023 at 13:21
I love most Swans from Children of God (1987) up. Of the modern Swans era ones, The Seer, To Be Kind, and The Glowing Man are I think all amazing.

I love Swans, and am tempted to say just try to explore lots of the discography. I fell for Soundtracks for the Blind first. And of the modern era ones, it was The Glowing Man for me that first did it (because I am into Krautrock and it has some of that vibe).
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote bardberic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2023 at 10:36
I've been wanting to get into Swans for a while, now. Skimming through some of this, it totally seems like my kind of post-rock/drone/neofolk. I really like it. Is this a good introductory album to Swans, or should I listen to a different album first?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2023 at 09:41
Swans's The Beggar album was officially released today (June 23, 2023). It is the 16th studio album release from Michael Gira's Swans project -- the debut, Filth, came out in 1983. While this sounds like a continuation of the Swans' revival after 14 years (during those years Gira was active with Angels of Light) that started in 2010 with My Father Will Guide Me Up a Rope to the Sky, then came The Seer (2012), then To Be Kind (2014), then The Glowing Man (2016), and then leaving meaning. in 2019, this also reminds me of music from albums like Love of Life (1992), The Great Annihilator (1995) and Soundtracks for the Blind (1996) and also it feels similar to Angels of Light music, especially with the later tracks.

This has been my most anticipated album of the year. This does have a self-referential quality as it draws on some earlier Swans themes/ qualities. For instance, in the roughly 44 minute "The Beggar Lover (Three)" we get a "Leaving Meaning section". We also get Soundtracks of the Blind (and earlier) qualities with that epic suite. How it draws in these spoken word moments that feel like interviews with ambient qualities -- I love that. The long piece is my favourite of the album, even if I could maybe do without the "Leaving Meaning" bit (I love the "Leaving Meaning" track on the leaving meaning. album. "The Ebb" is beautiful and my other favourite. I would like "No More of This", which I also really like, as the last track. Another standout track is "Michael Is Done." I won't bother with a track by track unless I review it.

I do have rather mixed emotions about this album, but it may grow a lot more on me. For one, it can get rather samey and monotonous to me -- I have no issue with repetition. Some of it has a fantastic groove and some of it I am not connecting to. I wish Gira sung less on it, and there's more of a balance with a female singer -- how wonderful it might have been to have Jarboe back. Gira's vocals are flat commonly here, and the lyrics, well, they can be rather cringe to me. I mean, he has come up with some amazing lyrics overt the years, I think. The way there are background chorus qualities, which go back for me with Swans to late 80s are rather overused I feel across tracks despite me loving vocals used that way generally. So I do wish there was more variation, it was more eclectic, multiple lead singers, more contrast. It does have an air of finality to the album like it is drawing things together from the past, but it also feels kind of safe, maybe a bit conservative.

I like it and there is plenty of music that I love on it even if a fair amount of it has not clicked.

Here is the bandcamp page for the album:

https://swans.bandcamp.com/album/the-beggar

And the official youtube playlist for the album: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLUcXHQ7VorrWIRsVbow4_0SUXohpj-4XB



Please pay for and support, that 44 minute track is quite a steal already at the bandcamp minimum price.

I hope to hear other's thoughts on the album. I hardly expect this to get as much commentary from a variety of people as that thread on Yes' last album.

EDIT: Changed the topic title from "officially released today" to the release date, which as of this edit today, which is on the 24th, was yesterday.


Edited by Logan - June 24 2023 at 13:16
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